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1 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | Love Fountain | 37491 | ||
Dear Andrew Jr., You state,"Remember when Jesus was baptized the Spirit decended on him as a dove. This baptism could not take place until Jesus Christ resurrected. Read St John 3:5, " Jesus answered, truely, truely I say unto you, Except a man be born of WATER and OF the SPIRIT, he CANNOT enter into the kingdom of God.." I have recently been reading 1Samuel and wonder what you think about the following verses, 1 Sam 9:27-10:11 27 And as they were going down to the end of the city, Samuel said to Saul, Bid the servant pass on before us, (and he passed on,) but stand thou still a while, that I may shew thee the word of God. 1 Samuel 10 10:1 Then Samuel took a vial of oil, and poured it upon his head, and kissed him, and said, Is it not because the LORD hath anointed thee to be captain over his inheritance? 2 When thou art departed from me to day, then thou shalt find two men by Rachel's sepulchre in the border of Benjamin at Zelzah; and they will say unto thee, The asses which thou wentest to seek are found: and, lo, thy father hath left the care of the asses, and sorroweth for you, saying, What shall I do for my son? 3 Then shalt thou go on forward from thence, and thou shalt come to the plain of Tabor, and there shall meet thee three men going up to God to Bethel, one carrying three kids, and another carrying three loaves of bread, and another carrying a bottle of wine: 4 And they will salute thee, and give thee two loaves of bread; which thou shalt receive of their hands. 5 After that thou shalt come to the hill of God, where is the garrison of the Philistines: and it shall come to pass, when thou art come thither to the city, that thou shalt meet a company of prophets coming down from the high place with a psaltery, and a tabret, and a pipe, and a harp, before them; and they shall prophesy: 6 And the Spirit of the LORD will come upon thee, and thou shalt prophesy with them, and shalt be turned into another man. 7 And let it be, when these signs are come unto thee, that thou do as occasion serve thee; for God is with thee. 8 And thou shalt go down before me to Gilgal; and, behold, I will come down unto thee, to offer burnt offerings, and to sacrifice sacrifices of peace offerings: seven days shalt thou tarry, till I come to thee, and shew thee what thou shalt do. 9 And it was so, that when he had turned his back to go from Samuel, God gave him another heart: and all those signs came to pass that day. 10 And when they came thither to the hill, behold, a company of prophets met him; and the Spirit of God came upon him, and he prophesied among them. 11 And it came to pass, when all that knew him beforetime saw that, behold, he prophesied among the prophets, then the people said one to another, What is this that is come unto the son of Kish? Is Saul also among the prophets? KJV Saul was born of water and of the Spirit way back in the Old Testament, doesn't this sound like the day of Pentecost in Acts? What do you think, was Saul baptized of the Spirit before the resurrection of Jesus Christ? Bless you, Love Fountain |
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2 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | ATJ | 37560 | ||
This is a very good question. Many people don't understand the differnce between the Old and the New Testament. Salvation was given in the New Teatament only. I will go into detail about the Old and New Testament later. Now lets examine I Sam. together. Read Heb. 9:28 ( So Christ was ONCE offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation). Read Heb 10:1-7 ( For the law having a shadow of good things to come and not the very image of the things, can Never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers therunto PERFECT. For then would they not have ceased to be offered? because that the worshipers once purged should have had NO MORE CONSCIENCE OF SINS. But in those sacrifices there is a remembrance again made of sins every year. For it is NOT POSSIBLE THAT THE BLOOD OF BULLS AND OF GOATS SHOULD TAKE AWAY SINS. Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith Sacrifice and Offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me. In burnt offerings and sacrifices for Sin thou hast had no pleasure. Then said I, Lo, I come in the volume of the book it is written of me to do thy will, O God). Now I ask you can a person be in sin and have the Holy Ghost at the same time? Paul says in Rom 6:1,2, "What shall we say then, can we CONTINUE IN SIN that grace may abound. GOD FORBID. How shall we that are dead to sin live any longer therein". Once a person has recieve the Holy Spirit then they no longer continually live in sin. Neither do they offer burnt sacrifices for their sin because Christ was the real sacrice. Now in I Sam. 13:9 it states,"and Saul said, Bring hither a burnt offering to me,and peace offerings, And he offered the burnt offering". Why would Saul need to sacrifice offering if he had the Holy Ghost? Could he have had the Holy Ghost and still lived in sin? The Apostle Paul says that God forbids it. Other words God said NO. Burnt offering and dead sacrifices are for sin. Saul was not baptized of the Spirit because he was not dead to sin. Read Rom 6:3-7. Would a person dead to sin offer dead sacrices? Let go to see what Jesus says about this. Pay clos attention to the correlation of these two. St John 3:5 (Jesus answered, Truely, truely, I say to you, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God). John 3:6 ( That which is born of flesh is flesh; and that which is born of Spirit is spirit). John 3:7 (Marvel not that I said to you, YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN). Now the question is what is the Kingdom of God. According to Luke 17:20,21, the Kingdom of God is within you. This is the Holy Spirit. Being born of the spirit means simple to be born again. Being born again means that a change has happened. After repenting and prayer of God to save us, the Holy Spirit take the evil inside of a person and burns them up, this how the Holy Ghost cleans us with fire. Christ then crucifies our old spirit and creates a new spirit. This new spirit is of love and will not sin against God Read I John 3:9. After this the Holy Spirit dwell within us with our new spirit and gives us strenght as we learn. With man this is impossible but with God all thing are possible. This process happens in the twinkling of eye because God does not do things in parts or incomplete. The Holy Spirit does not dwell in unclean temples or people. Now Saul had not reveive the gift of the Holy Spirit but rather the Spirit overcame him temperarily because he had not been born again. Every Old Testament scipture was inspired by God. Just as the Holy Spirit overcame Saul, He overcame the writters in the Old Testament. Look at the patriach King David, how could he have the Holy Ghost but yet have many wives and even killed a man and took his wife. Would not the Holy Ghost had told him other wise. Surely he was sorrowful afterwards but he still kept many wives. Can a man receive the Holy Ghost by any other baptism than Jesus. Unto what baptism was Saul in I Sam. baptized. If Jesus had not yet come could he been baptized unto Christ. John the baptist said unto the Pharisees the he baptized with water only, but Jesus would baptize with fire. This is the fire from the Holy Ghost Read St John 1:33. When Christ comes back for the Church and cries out with the trump of the Angel, the Holy Spirit is the one who is going to hear the voice of the Lord and He is the one who going wake us up. Andrew Jr. write back if you have any questions or comments. |
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3 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | Reformer Joe | 37573 | ||
One helpful comment: use paragraphs. You write: "Many people don't understand the differnce between the Old and the New Testament. Salvation was given in the New Teatament only." So Abraham was not saved? Nor Moses? Nor King David? I think you are mistakenly assuming that the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is equivalent to being saved. While all followers of Christ after Pentecost have the Holy Spirit indwelling them, that is not to say that it is the Holy Spirit's indwelling that saves them. Rather, it is the completed work of Christ on the cross which saves all those who have faith in that redemption. In the Old Testament, it was faith in God's coming redemptive plan that saved. We see that explained in Romans 4: 'What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh, has found? For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. For what does the Scripture say? "ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS CREDITED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS."' --Romans 4:1-3 So as you quoted Hebrews, the sacrifices never took away sins; Christ did that on the Cross for those who preceded His incarnation as well as for those who followed it. --Joe! |
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4 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | ATJ | 37593 | ||
If the people in the Old Testament had the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then why did Jesus tell his disciple to wait on the Holy Ghost. Seems like to me they would not have had to wait on the Holy Ghost. It is the Holy Spirit that keeps us save. We are saved from the condemnation of sin. As long as we don't fall into sin, then we remain saved. The Holy Spirit does not allow us to fall back into sin but He teaches us live Godly. Now, because of Abrahams faith toward God, It was counted to him as rightousness. Counted as rightous is not the same as being rightous. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit is what allow a person to live Holy. Jesus said that when the Comforter comes, then He shall lead us into all truth. Many people beleived in God before Jesus was crucified but they still had to wait after the resurection. Can a person live in eror and still have the indwelling of Comforter? Is it not the Holy Spirit that seal us? |
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5 | Whose baptism? | John 13:6 | Reformer Joe | 37644 | ||
Read what I wrote...most of the Old Testament people of God were NOT indwelt with the Holy Spirit. That is precisely what I said. However, it is Christ's sacrifice on the cross that saves us, not the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Therefore, Abraham was saved through his belief in God's promises. You wrote: "Now, because of Abrahams faith toward God, It was counted to him as rightousness. Counted as rightous is not the same as being rightous." I am one hundred percent behind this statement, and will further state that no one's own righteousness can save him. 'as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."' --Romans 3:10-12 We all need Christ's righteousness: "More than that, I count all things to be loss in view of the surpassing value of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord, for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them but rubbish so that I may gain Christ, and may be found in Him, not having a righteousness of my own derived from the Law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which comes from God on the basis of faith" --Philippians 3:8-9 --Joe! |
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