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1 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | Reighnskye | 133629 | ||
Would these statements be biblically accurate? - The only people who judge others are those who first originate from any of three groups: 1. Those who are first guilty of sin themselves but cannot conscience it, so they engage in a projected guilt transference upon others, instead of repenting of their own sins; or 2. Those who have been directly victimized by the sins of another, and who therefore seek vindictively painful justice upon the wicked; or 3. Both. All others have a natural tendency of forgiveness. - Accurate or inaccurate? Why or why not? Biblical basis, please. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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2 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | JCrichton | 133630 | ||
Hi, Reighn! I must disagree with you... generally people judge others on so many superficial and materialistic grounds that they outweigh the sample you have offered... We need only look to the younger generations (both boys and girls) who are assaulting each other on such frivolous issues as shoes, jackets, people being admired, skirts, makeup, boys/girls they might like to date, intelligence or lack of, athleticism or lack of, and waaay many more perceived fixations)... Even Christians are not safe from the ego monger complex as the same type of "clicks" are formed as in the world: the same preocupation with the wealthy/celebrity; the same animosities them vs. us; the same superiority complexes: show me, prove it, my version... Jesus gave us the simplest example of false worship and egocentrism in Luke 18:10-14; there are many Scriptural passages that speak on judgment and the consequence of these judging others: 1 Corinthians 1:11-13; John 11:43-53; James 4:11-16; 1 Corintians 3:1-10; Titus 3:9; James 3:16; James 4:1-7; Judging others as inferior to us or judging ourselves superior to others is the greatest cause of rivalry amongst individuals (including siblings and friends) and social/religious factions (including within a group/relegious establishment). God Bless! Angel |
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3 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | Reighnskye | 133631 | ||
Angel, I also must politely disagree with you. Although all of the life illustrations that you give are quite valid, I suggest that they only tend to apply on a more conscious superficial level. In other words, something much deeper is going on with these kids on a subconcious and/or unconscious level. To think that kids are violently assaulting each other on the mere basis of obtaining a pair of shoes would, in my opinion, be rather naive. This may be true on a mere conscious level with these kids, but I greatly suggest that deeper issues are transpiring within them, of which they are not even aware. Nor do I dismiss the involvement of ego in the slightest. Rather, I suggest that these core subconscious and/or unconscious thought modifiers only serve to amplify the ego-complex that your scripture references mention. You have indeed presented a nice list of very fine scriptures that demonstrate the reality of sin and human ego, but I was never really refuting this reality. Rather, my original references were toward dynamics that unerringly transpire on a deep psychological level. These deep transpirings do not, however, negate the reality of ego and sin. I view it as a rather dualistic philosophy that human suffering and ego cannot and/or do not transpire simultaneously. Rather, I suggest that human suffering and the egocentric sin nature are indeed inseparable. These children that you mention are obviously suffering quite deeply and will continue to suffer into adulthood. Even if their conscious minds shut out the awareness of their own suffering from their early youth and for decades to come. Nonetheless, the deep inner suffering will manifest in the ways that you have suggested, and beyond the perpetrators' own conscious awareness. Again, if we were speaking strictly on a conscious level, I would have to wholeheartedly agree with you. However, I don't believe anyone's behaviors originate from strictly a conscious level. - Jeremiah 17 9 "The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? (NAS95) Jeremiah 17 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (KJV) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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4 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | JCrichton | 133728 | ||
"something much deeper is going on with these kids on a subconcious and/or unconscious level" Hi, Reighnskye! Sadly, there's very little going on, subconsciously, on much of these youths... this is precisely the problem! They are being bombarded by a slew of egocentric superficial values that assaults them from left-to-right, even while on school grounds! The “pretend-to-help” Talk Shows have had their fill of child-on-child and child-on-adult violence... most of these "test" cases evolved around the old she said/he said or she thinks/he thinks attitudes... these are kids who are growing up in household of caring parent/s and are simply playing “follow the leader” as they subject themselves and others to all sorts of denigrating behavior--all of it due to judgment! As television programs and movies portray the superficial values as the best an only acceptable "goods" in society we will continue to witness "judgment" as society’s currency... ...of course, I am not denying that there are legitimate occurrences where people harbor deep-seated resentment, founded on negative past experiences, which causes them to not only unjustly judge others but also themselves... yet, for the largest part, these are in the minority... You only have to go to a public movie theater to witness just how morally bankrupt our society is becoming... I mean, when people, as a group, cheer for those characters that are gratuitously killed or abused... how can anyone expect those particular member of the audience to have sound ego and not be judgmental in society at large? And these distorted values are being fomented in all levels of society... have you noticed the latest television commercials? Advertising geniuses are selling egocentrism as the apex of a "feel good" or "too bad for them” culture… I mean, there’s even one commercial where a woman begins her presentation as a benevolent person who does not wish her suffering on even her worst enemy… only to back-step and profess that yes she would wish it on her enemy! With such values flooding the minds of people on a daily basis, is it any wonder that even the young among us are judgmental of everything and everyone, including their own parents? “To think that kids are violently assaulting each other on the mere basis of obtaining a pair of shoes” Perhaps I did not explain myself well enough… I am not suggesting that kids are assaulting each other because they want to obtain (rob) something the others have… I am saying that if you use public transit or you gather in public environment most of the conversations is about “this person said” “this person thinks…” Even when on the cell phones--they speak loud enough for all to hear--you can hear their concern about who wore what and how tacky or how they have to show them… there used to be a time when young people were concerned with meeting the right girl/guy, getting the grades, improving their personal skills… now it is about outshining or outwitting those who they consider a lesser person than themselves… Jesus commanded the disciples (which would be all Christians) to think of themselves as less than others (the servant of others)… if we learn to humble ourselves we would not judge others but see them as equal! On the other hand, society is bent on teaching us to egotistical and to judge all others as a lesser person than ourselves--how can a undisciplined (in Scripture) mind not end up but judging others as inferior to itself? So… my argument is that the largest portion of people who judge others do it not because of some deep-rooted feelings but out of the cultural values that they are exposed to on a daily basis! God Bless! Angel |
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5 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | Reighnskye | 133801 | ||
Angel, You wrote: "...of course, I am not denying that there are legitimate occurrences where people harbor deep-seated resentment, founded on negative past experiences, which causes them to not only unjustly judge others but also themselves... yet, for the largest part, these are in the minority..." I would ask on what biblical basis are they in the minority? I had referenced a verse to you that the human heart is desperately sick. Who can understand the heart? It's sin illness goes deeper than any of our own individual discernment. You've presented a great deal of examples, originating from how you've assessed secular talk shows and movies. I agree that these are bad influences on our children and society as a whole. You clearly demonstrate that you are a person of ethical conviction. You also wrote: "So… my argument is that the largest portion of people who judge others do it not because of some deep-rooted feelings but out of the cultural values that they are exposed to on a daily basis!" Again, I do not view internal and external influences as being two polar opposites. I suggest that they both play a role to influence both children and adults, each one reinforcing the other. Please understand that I am not arguing against the fact that environmental influences have an adverse effect on people. Rather, I believe that internal things (such as pride, hate, pain, fear) also possess a vast influence on people. Again, I reiterate that many of these things occur on a subconscious level. Although children may appear extremely superficial, and therefore easily manipulated by their environment, I believe that it is only fitting to bring them to a greater conscious awareness of what transpires within them, if and when they may be ready. - Jeremiah 17 9 "The heart is more deceitful than all else And is desperately sick; Who can understand it? (NAS95) Jeremiah 17 9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? (KJV) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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6 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | JCrichton | 133872 | ||
"I would ask on what biblical basis are they in the minority? I had referenced a verse to you that the human heart is desperately sick. Who can understand the heart? It's sin illness goes deeper than any of our own individual discernment. " Hi, Reighnskye! I truly do not understand your argument... there is no Scriptural basis to suggest that people judge others--there is however a command not to judge! (Matthew 7:1) ...from the verse you cited (Jeremiah 17:9)--we are all guilty of ill-judgment; at least those of us with a heart! "Rather, I believe that internal things (such as pride, hate, pain, fear) also possess a vast influence on people." I do not disagree with you... but these are mostly learned traits--fear is a natural instinct that's built into every creature's self-preservation mechanism... but when children are exposed to extreme pride, hate, and egocentrism, a wicked fear is created: prejudice--not the natural inclinations to choose beauty over drabness or to choose coke over pepsy... but the dark extreme of discrimination on race/religion/nationality... no human child is born with the fear of a color/ethnicity/culture/class (financial)... "Although children may appear extremely superficial, and therefore easily manipulated by their environment," Please understand, I am not implying that children are empty of morals or values... I am stating that what society is offering them is! The beautiful creation made good by God is tarnished and consequently corrupted by values that are anti-Christ! So without the benefit of a strong Scriptural fellowship we are doomed to fail... have you noticed how the very first words mastered by most people learning a new language are obscene words?... have you noticed how even the newscasters (inclusive of all levels) smile even when reporting on death--by extension, have you notice how most people, (inclusive of victims, relatives, friends, and acquaintances) smile for the camera while speaking on any subject (good/bad news)? That is a learned process! Through movies and televions programs we have learned to trivialize death, murder and any and all atrocity commited to/by humans... We are all sinners, that is true enough; but we have only to say yes to Jesus and we can be rescued from ourselves! This is my argument: we are all predisposed of dark/evil deeds, yet, if we subject ourselves to Christ, we can overcome everything, even ill-judgment of others and the pain and suffering of our past! (Philippians 4:13) God Bless! Angel |
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7 | Would this be biblically accurate? | Luke 18:11 | Reighnskye | 133917 | ||
Angel, Agreed. Thanks for sharing. :) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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