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1 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92363 | ||
Thank you for your response. So based on the statement below I gather you believe all born again believers have not entered the kingdom of God. That this actually happens at the time of the infilling of the Holy Spirit? Is this correct understanding? "Entering is a choosing on our part. If we choose then we are gifted with the Holy Ghost for entry and that we might see the kingdom to become a son of God. "Luke 14:27-28 [NASB]" Thank you again for your responses _____________________________________ Lets be careful with what you are think I am saying I what I think I am saying. I'm saying the infilling is NOT for salvation because that's what the Blood of Christ has accomplished. Righteous people who have never heard the name of Christ to worship Him, will be in Heaven because of the shed Blood of Christ. Jesus died for all men everywhere. Those righteous who died in their sins, He set free when He went to Paradise. Contrawise, those unrighteous weren't in Paradise to be saved. The infilling is for the believer that he BE born again but the choosing is still with him/her after that to begin the discipling proccess; the denial of self unto becoming a son of God. So-o-o-o many stop short right here! Because of 'cost counting' the whole Christian doctrine has been altered [watered down] to accomodate the luke warm and carnal Christian. This is a condition Paul addresses at great length and John's revelation speaks to, also. The latest [severe] watering down came just the other night in Minnesota at the Episcopal bishop's thing. I hope I've been more clear this time..Thanks |
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2 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | gracefull | 92406 | ||
Part 1 Hi Ken, Thank you for your response. That does make things clearer. Good communication takes patience and kindness..Let's try to maintain that for the forum's sake. This creates a good atmosphere for searching and learning. You said... "I'm saying the infilling is NOT for salvation because that's what the Blood of Christ has accomplished." I agree You said... "Righteous people who have never heard the name of Christ to worship Him, will be in Heaven because of the shed Blood of Christ." I disagree...before Christ there were no righteous people. Romans 3:9-11 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all; for we have already charged that both Jews and Greeks are all under sin; 10 as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; 11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; Romans 10:13-15 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. 14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher? 15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things! The 'rightous' dead before Christ were those who died in faith having not received the promise. they died still looking for the coming kingdom of God. Hebrews 11:13 These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. "Jesus died for all men everywhere." I agree, but all men must ACCEPT that provision. Romans 10:8-10 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. You said... "Those righteous who died in their sins, He set free when He went to Paradise. Contrawise, those unrighteous weren't in Paradise to be saved." I agree, but that was strictly those who died prior to Jesus' redemptive work on the cross, and not those since. This is the cold hard fact Christians have to live with when we are not part of an evangelic ministry of any kind, in any manner. To be continued....... |
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3 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92415 | ||
"I disagree...before Christ there were no righteous people." Then you must reconcile this passage satisfactorily:Rev. 20:12 NASB 'And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, ACCORDING TO THEIR DEEDS.' These are the ones, those who did righteous deeds that the blood Christ will redeem. This will testify to the acripture that man is without excuse and God rewards those who see Him in the Earth through the various means He has provided and who, as a consequence of seeing, live their lives accordingly. The Grace of God can't be so narrow as to not include them because they never heard the name of Jesus. No! Their names will be in the book of life. Furthermore this is the main reason for evangelism, i.e., to preach the gospel of the good news of the kingdom of God to "bring many sons into glory" and NOT to get people saved who already sense there is a God but to explain Him [God] that they might come into the more perfect way of believing in Him. Buy the book "Bruchco". The young man Bruce Olsen who went to SA and to the Mantalone indian tribe. It will explain a lot of what I'm referring to. Your references having to with sending a preacher has to do more with the preaching of the kingdom of God they hope for because they already see God [in nature] and need to have closure in the matter of how to attain entrance into eternal life with Him. Re-read all that you just posted to me in the light of Rev 20.12. Don't let it mean it was for those who died with the promise of Messiah. They had preachers and plenty of them. Many had God Himself. |
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4 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | srbaegon | 92425 | ||
Hello Ken hepting, You said: "These are the ones, those who did righteous deeds that the blood Christ will redeem." Christ does not redeem those who do righteous deeds. None do righteous deeds until coming to God by faith (Romans 3). You said: "The Grace of God can't be so narrow as to not include them because they never heard the name of Jesus." Excuse me? What is required to please God? Hebrews 11:6 (ESV) And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him. How does on get saved? Romans 10:9-10,13 (ESV) because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. [10] For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved... [13] For "everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." If belief is required, what is my job? Romans 10:14-15 (ESV) But how are they to call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard? And how are they to hear without someone preaching? [15] And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, "How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!" And if faith is required to please God, where does it come from? Romans 10:17 (ESV) So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ. Therefore, the gospel must be heard and believed. Steve |
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5 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92440 | ||
You're not paying attention, Steve. | ||||||
6 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | srbaegon | 92646 | ||
Hello Ken, To what am I not paying attention? You said that there are those who have not heard the gospel which will be in the book of life. Scripture says you are wrong. Steve |
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7 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92654 | ||
"To what am I not paying attention? You said that there are those who have not heard the gospel which will be in the book of life. Scripture says you are wrong" __________________________ Sorry but scripture says I'm right. Rev. 20:12 (YLT) and I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and scrolls were opened, and another scroll was opened, which is that of the life, and the dead were judged out of the things written in the scrolls—ACCORDING TO THEIR WORKS.... Malachi 3:16 (KJV) Then they that feared the Lord spake often one to another: and the Lord hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the Lord, and that thought upon his name. ...... .......wondering who He could be maybe and living their lives accordingly? Does that sound like people going to hell? I don't think so. I believe they are those who Jesus redeemed from the grave....and will continue to redeem from the grave. |
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8 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92655 | ||
You just might now consider what the preaching of the gospel to be all about if not the telling of the good news concerning the kingdom of God to those who think upon God, live their lives accordingly and desire to know HIM that they become jointheirs with Christ by the KNOWING of God as Jesus knew Him.. That's what evangelism SHOULD BE all about. That's what Jesus explained and Paul taught. Do you really believe 'just saved people' are joint heirs with Christ? |
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9 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | srbaegon | 92664 | ||
Hello Ken, Yes, I believe "'just saved people' are joint heirs with Christ." Paul said so. 1 Cor. 3:12-15 (ESV) Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw? [13] each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. [14] If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. [15] If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire. Steve |
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10 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92666 | ||
Say what? What do you mean fire testing my works? What works? You tell me I have to do works to be saved? Build what? Maybe you mean works after I'm saved? Well what works would they be? Will they keep me saved if I do them? Why do I need them if grace is what it is all about? Why should I worry about works if I'm saved anyway? You got alot of questions to answer, my friend. Good Luck. But then again maybe the verses you post are meant for born again folk who know what the kingdom of God is all about; Disciples of Christ. I think so. |
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11 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | srbaegon | 92675 | ||
Hello Ken, You ask: "Building what?" Perhaps I should have add verses 10-11 in order to get the context of the paragraph. Paul is refering to building on the foundation of Christ Jesus. We build by the works we do after salvation. No, works will not keep me saved. That's part of 1 Cor 3 that I quoted. If we believe on the Lord Jesus, we will be saved even if we do a poor job in this life. You should worry about works for two reasons. First, because God wants us to do them. Ephes. 2:10 (ESV) For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand, that we should walk in them. Second, because they prove to others the faith we have. James 2:18-20 (ESV) But someone will say, "You have faith and I have works." Show me your faith apart from your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. [19] You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe?and shudder! [20] Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Steve |
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