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1 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92421 | ||
"Ken, I've been thinking about this one all night long, I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind telling me the REAL ISSUE of why Jesus came to earth...other than just get people saved." Thanks for this question, Curtman. If we can grasp what some of our older scholars of the word have said I believe the church can be truly renewed/ I like what Oswald Chambers says here: November 12th. My Utmost for His Highest THE TRANSFIGURED LIFE "If any man be in Christ, he is a new creature; old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new." 2 Corinthians 5:17 What idea have you of the salvation of your soul? The experience of salvation means that in your actual life things are really altered, you no longer look at things as you used to; your desires are new, old things have lost their power. One of the touchstones of experience is - Has God altered the thing that matters? If you still hanker after the old things, it is absurd to talk about being born from above, you are juggling with yourself. If you are born again, the Spirit of God makes the alteration manifest in your actual life and reasoning, and when the crisis comes you are the most amazed person on earth at the wonderful difference there is in you. There is no possibility of imagining that you did it. It is this complete and amazing alteration that is the evidence that you are a saved soul. What difference has my salvation and sanctification made? For instance, can I stand in the light of 1 Corinthians 13, or do I have to shuffle? The salvation that is worked out in me by the Holy Ghost emancipates me entirely, and as long as I walk in the light as God is in the light, He sees nothing to censure because His life is working out in every particular, not to my consciousness, but deeper than my consciousness. ------------------------------------------ There certainly is a "Plumline" we are placed against when we seek to follow and experience Christ in our lives. Certain of these "feelings" given us to convict us SHOULD lead us to the cross the we might see our error, ask for forgiveness, and then get on with becoming a son God desires to bring into His Glory. This is why Jesus, the man, had to prove Himself and what the scripture means when it says: Hebrews 5:8 Although He was a Son, He learned obedience from the things which He suffered. Ephes. 4:20-22 But ye have not so learned Christ; [21] If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: [22] That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; Philip. 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you. These ARE the works we must be about. I hope I've been a help |
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2 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | TheCurtMan | 92466 | ||
Note: "Ken, I've been thinking about this one all night long, I'm wondering if you wouldn't mind telling me the REAL ISSUE of why Jesus came to earth...other than just get people saved". I don't mean to be argumentative, or anything, but I was somewhat under the impression that there was another reason why Jesus came to earth other than to just get people saved. In light of everything that you just said, isn't all that a result of salvation? I mean upon making my profession, doesn't at some point the Holy Spirit move into my life and as a result, Eph. 4:22-24 comes into play. The Old man is done away with and I am now concerned with the New Man, the things of God? I'm thinking that all this is a RESULT of Salvation. Is there a Real Issue of why Jesus came to earth, other then to save people, or did I miss your point somewhere?? Also, what if I have a little trouble putting away the old man in his entirety, what if there were a few habits that were harder to get rid of than others, and I was still struggling with them. Does that mean that I'm not Born Again.?? Does it mean that I'm, how you say, Juggling myself?? Didn't God promise to finish the good work that He started in me?? And one other thing, could you elaborate on what you ment when you said Jesus, the man, had to prove himself?? |
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3 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92475 | ||
"The Old man is done away with and I am now concerned with the New Man, the things of God? I'm thinking that all this is a RESULT of Salvation. Is there a Real Issue of why Jesus came to earth, other then to save people, or did I miss your point somewhere??" Who said the old man is done away with? Where do you read that? If that were so then there would be no reason to "work out your own salvation with fear and trembling", after you're saved. Isn't that what Paul exhorts us to do? Then why the need if the old man is dead? Why the need to purify the soul if there isn't more to being a Christian than just being saved and believing [wrongly] the old man to be dead? Read 1 Peter chapter 1 in light of Heb 5.8. If Jesus is the first of the first fruits are we not expected of the Lord to be sons and if sons then to expect to suffer as Jesus [the man] suffered; to be tested as He was tested? John 15:2 (NASB) "Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, HE TAKES AWAY; and every branch that bears fruit, HE PRUNES IT, that it may bear more fruit. This is why we must bring our Old man into obedience with the dictates of the NEW man we are, in Christ. That's not an automatic. Success in this is a result of our success with living the Great Commandment. What is Spiritual warfare all about if it isn't about conquering the biggest enemy we have, our selfish old natures? We all have to expect to have our own personal wilderness experiences where our allegiances are revealed. If Jesus had His, why not us also? What would have happened if He had failed? What will happen if we fail? ----------------------------- Your post is excellent inquiry. I've searched this thing out for years and am now able to see the conclusion to the matter. i.e., Once we are born again we MUST LEARN how to embrace [with all our emotions] the Great Commandent by prayer and the study of the word that reveals God's ultimate intention for those who love Him followed by our resoluteness in seeking the Kingdom of God. In all this is the power 'to become' given us because of the Spirit of the law of life working in us. [Rom.8.2] He shows the things of Christ that we appropiate them for ourselves. They are ours! It's His PROMISE to us that we, who seek with our whole heart to love Him, become like Him. That IS Father's 'ultimate intention'. There's much scripture to support all of this. In fact, the whole NT supports this. |
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4 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | TheCurtMan | 92536 | ||
Ken, Sorry about 'the old man being done away with' bit, a bad choice of words to get my point across. To be honest with you my brother, you're over my head like a 747 bound for the Promise Land. I'm still back a square one wondering if Jesus had a secondary primary reason for caming to earth other than to save people. I've listened to what you've said, and for the most part, everything you've elaborated on takes place as a result of salvation, it takes place after the person is saved. I've searched this thing out for years and am now able to see the conclusion to the matter. i.e., Once we are born again... The perfect example, the conclusion to the matter takes place after salvation. Thus far you're leaving me to draw the conclusion that there is secondary primary reason why Jesus came to earth other to save people, and this reason takes place after salvation. So inorder to find out what this reason is we must first become saved, which is why Jesus came here in the first place. Ken, I really need you to tell me I'm wrong on this thing. The CurtMan |
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5 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92641 | ||
Before Jesus was born the world was filled with people residing in many places. They were a mixture of the wicked and the righteous, as best they could be who showed they were by they're good deeds, who all died. Even during His lifetime and afterwards, this was and is the case even today. My question for you is: Does the salvation Jesus provides extend to any of them? | ||||||
6 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | TheCurtMan | 92727 | ||
I believe that the salvation that was provided by Jesus is made available to EVERYONE. Past, Present, Future, Believer, Non-believer. I believe that salvation is conditional, it will be excepted by some and rejected by others. But salvation is made available to everyone. | ||||||
7 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | Ken hepting | 92731 | ||
Very true, indeed. Now what should happen AFTER one, living in the age of the Holy Spirit made available, believes for his salvation? In oher words, what must one do to be a follower of Christ to become a son in His likeness? Should 'being saved', in your estimation, mean more than 'being redeemed'? What's the diiference that should be recognized? Hint: Luke 17:17 (NASB) And Jesus answered and said, "Were there not ten cleansed? But the nine-- where are they? |
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8 | Born into the Kingdom of God? | Luke 16:18 | TheCurtMan | 92949 | ||
Do you think that maybe you could explain simply and clearly the difference between being saved, and being redeemed?? And explain it to me as if I was a seven yr. old. I looked at Luke 17:17. What I see is ten men who was cleansed of a physical affliction. Out of that ten, one was cleansed spiritually. The other nine probably had places to go; people to see; and things to do. Glorifing God just was not on their agenda at that time. |
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