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1 | Do we receive *holy *spirit as a gift? | Luke 11:13 | Ray | 130147 | ||
Hi Hiskid84, I welcome your comments and Scripture references to consider. I put the Holy Spirit in upper case when talking of the Person. What I am considering is whether we need to capitalize all the occurances found in Scripture. Concerning Romans 8: We can look at some different interpretations of the (s)Spirit. For Romans 8:1, the different manuscripts vary in whether they include "who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit", NKJ. If the phrase is ommitted as in the NASB, what it amounts to is that there is one less pronoun to count; in other words we can interpret it as saying "who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the *spirit." Thus it allows for an interpretation and an understanding that there is the spirit and also the Spirit. Remember that the phrase is stated in verse 4, "who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." So our first consideration is whether we can walk according to the spirit as well as the Spirit. 2) Verse 6, NKJ, "For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." Verse 6, NASB, "For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace." We have to decide whether the Scripture is talking about being spiritually minded or be thinking of the Spirit. Is it speaking of spirit or Spirit? 3) I see the possibility of Scripture speaking of both and I want to interpret it correctly. For verse 9, I have penciled in my personal copy a lower case spirit as well as the upper case when it speaks of the Spirit of God. Verse 9, my interpretation for what it is worth: "However, you are not in the flesh but in the *spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him." Verse 10, I go with the NASB, "If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit [sic] is alive because of righteousness." (The NKJ interprets it as "but the Spirit is life"...) Verse 11 has another option for "counting pronouns" in that some manuscripts speak of Christ and others write of Christ Jesus. Verse 15 offers the interpretation choice of whether we have received the Spirit of adoption, NKJ, or whether we have received the spirit of adoption, NASB. I hope you see, Karen, that I am not against capitalizing the Holy Spirit, but am merely suggesting that there is a holy spirit in Scripture as well. You suggest that Christ is "a gift as well'. You also speak of "this awesome Gift from God". I see your point of Jesus being a gift for we remember John 3:16 especially. I don't believe, however, that there is a Scripture that speaks of "receiving Christ". Jesus is the gift of God according to John 4:10. We need to determine whether this One who speaks to the woman is only an "it". But what He offers to her and to us in that passage is living water. I believe that we can even consider putting in lower case the "spirit" found in John 3:3, "Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the *spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." Thanks for considering these things with me. Please look at my post to JCrichton as well. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Do we receive *holy *spirit as a gift? | Luke 11:13 | Hiskid84 | 130188 | ||
Hi, Ray. Thank you very much for explaining your thoughts to me in such a way that I think I understand what it is you are wanting to convey. I must admit though, it didn't come easy! I only have a few moments to write this reply but hopefully I will be able to cover everything I want to point out. You say that you are "...merely suggesting that there is a holy spirit in Scripture as well." We know there is a spirit. Romans 8:16 speaks of "the Spirit" and "our spirit" in the same sentence. I guess my response to your statement would have to be; do you believe our spirit (obviously after conversion) is holy? If we are to walk "according to the spirit" it would seem, by necessity, it would have to be holy. The same is true of verse 9. If we are "in the spirit" because the Spirit of God dwells in us" and being "in the spirit" means we are not walking in the flesh, our spirit would have to be holy. So this is why you are wondering if the "gift of the Holy Spirit" is really the "gift of the holy spirit" or God giving us the gift of making our spirit holy. Yes? No? You wrote: "2) Verse 6, NKJ, "For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." Verse 6, NASB, "For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace." We have to decide whether the Scripture is talking about being spiritually minded or be thinking of the Spirit. Is it speaking of spirit or Spirit?" I believe that verse is saying (in both forms) that we are to have our minds set on the things of the Spirit. Wouldn't being carnally minded mean our minds are focused on the things of the flesh? Why we would want our minds focused on the things of the spirit? To use spirit in this way we would have to say our minds are focused on the things of OUR spirit, wouldn't it? Even if our spirit was holy, why would we be told to focus on the things of our spirit rather than God's? Because our spirit now looks like His? What would it mean for our spirit to be holy? What would it "look like"? Isn't holiness the absence of sin? If you could define "holy" that would help. Because to say our spirit is without sin is to say that part of our being has already attained a form of perfection. (I can't wait to hear the "Be ye holy as I am holy" quotes!) Unfortunately, my brain functions at an even slower pace at this time of night so I have to quit for now. The more I try to reason this out the more I get tangled in my circles. I just want to add one last thing. In verse 6 of the NKJ it speaks of being "spiritually minded". I don't think it's in error to equate this with setting our minds on the things of the Spirit. To be godly (lower case) minded still means to have our mind toward the things of God. In the same way, to be spiritually minded would mean to have our mind toward the things of the Spirit. Your turn. :-) In Him, Karen |
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