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1 | Do we receive *holy *spirit as a gift? | Luke 11:13 | Ray | 130093 | ||
In considering Romans 5:5, in my personal copy I have penciled in a lower case "holy spirit". I do this because I think of the holy spirit as the gift of God which is given to us. I compare the verse with Acts 11:16, "And I remembered the word of the Lord, how He used to say, 'John baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the *holy *spirit'. 17 If God therefore gave to them the same gift as He gave to us..." I would like some comments from the forum members as I continue to consider the gift of "holy spirit". From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Do we receive *holy *spirit as a gift? | Luke 11:13 | Hiskid84 | 130094 | ||
Ray, I don't know how welcome my comments will be but, since you asked, I'm going to share them. Frankly, I'm puzzled by your use of the lower case letters when refering to the 3rd member of the Trinity. Romans 8:9-10 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. And if Christ is in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. (NKJ) These verses plainly state that if the Holy Spirit is in you, Christ is in you. Do you use lower case letters to refer to Christ? Was Christ not a gift as well? I guess what I really want to know is, why do you feel it necessary to change the spelling? What is it you are accomplishing through it? Why does this awesome Gift from God need to be reduced to our level? Hoping for more insight from you. In Him, Karen |
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3 | Do we receive *holy *spirit as a gift? | Luke 11:13 | Ray | 130147 | ||
Hi Hiskid84, I welcome your comments and Scripture references to consider. I put the Holy Spirit in upper case when talking of the Person. What I am considering is whether we need to capitalize all the occurances found in Scripture. Concerning Romans 8: We can look at some different interpretations of the (s)Spirit. For Romans 8:1, the different manuscripts vary in whether they include "who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit", NKJ. If the phrase is ommitted as in the NASB, what it amounts to is that there is one less pronoun to count; in other words we can interpret it as saying "who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the *spirit." Thus it allows for an interpretation and an understanding that there is the spirit and also the Spirit. Remember that the phrase is stated in verse 4, "who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit." So our first consideration is whether we can walk according to the spirit as well as the Spirit. 2) Verse 6, NKJ, "For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." Verse 6, NASB, "For the mind set on the flesh is death, but the mind set on the Spirit is life and peace." We have to decide whether the Scripture is talking about being spiritually minded or be thinking of the Spirit. Is it speaking of spirit or Spirit? 3) I see the possibility of Scripture speaking of both and I want to interpret it correctly. For verse 9, I have penciled in my personal copy a lower case spirit as well as the upper case when it speaks of the Spirit of God. Verse 9, my interpretation for what it is worth: "However, you are not in the flesh but in the *spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him." Verse 10, I go with the NASB, "If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit [sic] is alive because of righteousness." (The NKJ interprets it as "but the Spirit is life"...) Verse 11 has another option for "counting pronouns" in that some manuscripts speak of Christ and others write of Christ Jesus. Verse 15 offers the interpretation choice of whether we have received the Spirit of adoption, NKJ, or whether we have received the spirit of adoption, NASB. I hope you see, Karen, that I am not against capitalizing the Holy Spirit, but am merely suggesting that there is a holy spirit in Scripture as well. You suggest that Christ is "a gift as well'. You also speak of "this awesome Gift from God". I see your point of Jesus being a gift for we remember John 3:16 especially. I don't believe, however, that there is a Scripture that speaks of "receiving Christ". Jesus is the gift of God according to John 4:10. We need to determine whether this One who speaks to the woman is only an "it". But what He offers to her and to us in that passage is living water. I believe that we can even consider putting in lower case the "spirit" found in John 3:3, "Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the *spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God." Thanks for considering these things with me. Please look at my post to JCrichton as well. From the heart, Ray |
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4 | Do we receive *holy *spirit as a gift? | Luke 11:13 | jelkins | 130159 | ||
HiRay, to clarify, are you talking about the spirit of man (lower case "s") and the Holy Spirit (of God; upper case "S")? For information, about receiving Jesus: John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: Colossians 2:6 As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him, Refer Acts 2:38 and 5:32. 2:38 can be read either as meaning the HS himself, or a gift that he gives, but 5:32 seems to mean the Spirit himself. Knowing in what measure we receive the Spirit takes a lot of study. The text says it comes at the point of obeying the command to be baptized. The two occurrences of baptism of the HS were a result of promise, not in obedience to command. |
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5 | Do we receive *holy *spirit as a gift? | Luke 11:13 | Ray | 130185 | ||
Hi Jelkins, I am not talking so much about the spirit of man. What I am talking about is the spirit of God. Consider Ezekiel 36:26 where it says, "Moreover, I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit within you; and I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh." The NKJ and the NASB continue in verse 27 and talk about "My Spirit within you". I personally think that we should be consistent here and put the Spirit found in Ezekiel 36:27 in the lower case "spirit". Ezekiel 36:27, "And I will put My *spirit within you and cause you to walk in (My) statutes..." 2) Thank you for your information about receiving Jesus. Colossians 2:6, "As you therefore have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in (Him)." However, when we read there of receiving Christ Jesus the Lord, it is talking of our faith in Him. It is not talking of Christ as a (g)Gift. Actually, I would view the gift as being in Colossians 2:3, "in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge." I trust that I am with you in spirit, seeing our faith in Christ. Colossians 2:5. Also, 2 Timothy 1:14, "Guard through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, the treasure [the good deposit, the down payment] which has been entrusted to you. 3) I remembered John 1:12 almost as soon as I made the statement that you "caught" me on. However, in this Scripture also, receiving Him is talking about faith in Him. And the gift that is given is the "power [or right, NASB] to become sons of God". 4) I believe that both Acts 2:38 and 5:32 talk about a gift that He gives. I compare/contrast Acts 5:32 with Luke 11:13, "If you then, being evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the *holy *spirit to those who ask Him?" 5) John 3:34, "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the *spirit without measure." When we receive the words of God it will indeed take a lot of study. From the heart, Ray |
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