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1 | Lack of Indifference | Mark 16:18 | zoetrope | 190289 | ||
Hello Tim, I have read many of your posts and you have the patience of a saint, so if there is any one admirable it is certainly you. Little children do not war with one another... they do not hate one another... they do not exert dominion over one another... they may quarrel, but their differences are soon forgotten. They are resilient sponges with the desire to learn and the eagerness to please. "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Matt18:3 My thoughts are that if the Mosaic laws and history made room for men assaulting other men in the name of God, then Jesus gave us different orders with Matt5:21-26, Matt5:38-48 and Matt18. It seems that if you must do things that are against the teachings of Jesus then you will be subject to judgement. How can we murder our enemies and love them? It's not an easy thing for me. Our freedom has come with a cost. But there is no license in the New Testament for killing in the name of Caesar (government). Though he does say: "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled at him."Matt22:21 zoe |
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2 | Lack of Indifference | Mark 16:18 | jlhetrick | 190295 | ||
Hello zoe, Just want to add some thought to the excellent response you have already received from brother Tim Moran. It may be that your concept of war may be what is most influencing your position. I make that statement based on your choice to refer to the killing in war as "murder". I would agree that many (even my own country's US soldiers as shown in history) use the excuse of war to murder others. But those incidents are murder just the same. So when faced with the question as you present it "How can we murder our enemies and love them?" the simple answer is that we can't. Or at least if we do we are sinning. A more appropriate question (in my opinion) and a more appropriate approach to understanding how God and His word deals with the topic; would be to ask something like, "how can the taking of life in war be considered justified?" When we automatically label it as "murder" we have already lost the ability to consider it as anything else. Murder is justified neither in the OT nor the NT. But the taking of life in response to that one's breaking of certain laws is. The whole idea and arguments that some have made to suggest that the Jesus of the NT is different from the God of the OT just doesn't hold water. The new covenent never has and never will represent a change in God's character. While you continue to consider this topic it might be helpful to ask- how can God allow someone to spend eternity in torment if He loves them? Have in mind the never change characteristics of God while pondering this. Hope this is helpul, Jeff |
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3 | Lack of Indifference | Mark 16:18 | zoetrope | 190298 | ||
Hey Jeff, I like the train of thought: justification, but does justification make it right? How can one justify taking a life in war? I don't know that answer... I guess that will be left to the individual and his judge. To be honest with you I hope it doesn't matter... once repented for and changed I'm sure it doesn't, anyway... Still, Jesus is the answer... Not that his personality has changed... God has been forgiving to those who love Him since the beginning, but the children of Israel denied him and his teaching, so he adopted Gentiles, while still giving them the same benefit if they only will repent and accept Jesus for who he is. I know it sounds silly, but what would Jesus do? Remember the woman who was to be stoned? "So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her." John8:7 Forgive... Eternity in torment if he loves him? Choice... the power of election... the gift he gave us that he gave no other creation. The Kingdom of Heaven is very much like a driver's license and spandex... it's a privilege you have to make yourself ready for, not a right. Question for you... Do you think Christians have the right to judge? even if that "certain law" has been broken, or not? zoe |
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4 | Lack of Indifference | Mark 16:18 | BradK | 190308 | ||
Hello zoe, Allow me to address one of your questions, "Do you think Christians have the right to judge?" Biblically, yes without doubt. 1 Cor. 2:15-16 reads "But he who is spiritual appraises all things, yet he himself is appraised by no one. For WHO HAS KNOWN THE MIND OF THE LORD, THAT HE WILL INSTRUCT HIM? But we have the mind of Christ." (NASB) Additional translations read: "The spiritual person judges all things, but is himself to be judged by no one." (ESV) "But he who is spiritual judges all things, yet he himself is rightly judged by no one" (NKJV) "and he who is spiritual, doth discern indeed all things, and he himself is by no one discerned;" (YLT) The Greek word for "judge" is anakrino and means: examine or judge, to investigate. A.T. Robertson comments on this passage: "Judgeth all things [anakrinei panta]. The spiritual man [ho pneumatikos] is qualified to sift, to examine, to decide rightly, because he has the eyes of his heart enlightened (Eph. 1:18) and is no longer blinded by the god of this world (2 Cor. 4:4). There is a great lesson for Christians who know by personal experience the things of the Spirit of God. Men of intellectual gifts who are ignorant of the things of Christ talk learnedly and patronizingly about things of which they are grossly ignorant. The spiritual man is superior to all this false knowledge. He himself is judged of no man [autos de hupo oudenos anakrinetai]. Men will pass judgment on him, but the spiritual man refuses to accept the decision of his ignorant judges. He stands superior to them all as Polycarp did when he preferred to be burnt to saying, “Lord Caesar” in place of “Lord Jesus.” He was unwilling to save his earthly life by the worship of Caesar in place of the Lord Jesus. Polycarp was a [pneumatikos] man.' [A.T. Robertson, Word Pictures in the New Testament] I trust this will help to answer your question. BradK |
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5 | Justified Judgements | Mark 16:18 | zoetrope | 190321 | ||
Yes. But do we judge who deserves to live and die? We must examine our condition. Here we are: a country divided, simply because we won't "love our neighbor's as ourselves." Are our judgements justified? zoe |
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6 | Justified Judgements | Mark 16:18 | BradK | 190325 | ||
Hello zoe, Your question appears to have more of a political flavor to it. I can only speak as a Christian of what God says. The unbelieving world will act according to it's own wisdom (1 Cor. 1:21). Our judgments- as believers- are only justified in accord with scripture, and specifically 1 Cor. 2:15-16. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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7 | Justified Judgements | Mark 16:18 | zoetrope | 190329 | ||
I agree. And Romans 12:18-21. "See that none render evil for evil unto any man; but ever follow that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all men."1Thes5:15 "Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but rather give place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance is MINE; I will repay, SAITH the LORD." I thoroughly appreciate all of your instruction... from all of you who have responded, read, and challenged my words. "We delight in the law and in the law do we meditate day and night."Ps1:2 God bless you all and I hope you will consider all of these words we have exchanged. "Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:"Heb12:14 "Let everything that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord."Ps150:6 zoe |
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