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1 | Lack of Indifference | Mark 16:18 | zoetrope | 190289 | ||
Hello Tim, I have read many of your posts and you have the patience of a saint, so if there is any one admirable it is certainly you. Little children do not war with one another... they do not hate one another... they do not exert dominion over one another... they may quarrel, but their differences are soon forgotten. They are resilient sponges with the desire to learn and the eagerness to please. "I tell you the truth, unless you change and become like little children, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Matt18:3 My thoughts are that if the Mosaic laws and history made room for men assaulting other men in the name of God, then Jesus gave us different orders with Matt5:21-26, Matt5:38-48 and Matt18. It seems that if you must do things that are against the teachings of Jesus then you will be subject to judgement. How can we murder our enemies and love them? It's not an easy thing for me. Our freedom has come with a cost. But there is no license in the New Testament for killing in the name of Caesar (government). Though he does say: "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s. And they marvelled at him."Matt22:21 zoe |
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2 | Lack of Indifference | Mark 16:18 | Morant61 | 190291 | ||
Greetings Zoe! Thanks for the kind words my friend! Hopefully, without coming across as argumentative, I was trying to point out that there is a difference between believing that war is wrong and stating that Jesus somehow actually condemned it. :-) I know many brothers and sisters in Christ who hold to a pacifist position. However, I also know many brothers and sisters in Christ who believe that killing and war is sometimes justified (hopefully rarely). Simply put, Christ never speaks directly to the issue. Therefore, I would never be dogmatic on the issue. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Lack of Indifference | Mark 16:18 | zoetrope | 190303 | ||
I agree about the dogma... I know what you mean. But, I believe that if there are parables we have to figure out and messages we must decipher we can have differences... in the situation of war I strongly believe it's for God to wage war and his Armies in Heaven. We've been told to turn the other cheek, be like children, and wait on the lord... the infinitive of the word kill- to kill. defintion of murder- to kill "willfully" to take one's life in war- to kill "willfully"-murder. But, that's just where I'm at on the issue. If what I say is true then it's not me... it's just another truth, and the truth doesn't come from man. And I don't speak for truth without proof... truths can speak for themselves. love zoe |
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4 | Lack of Indifference | Mark 16:18 | Morant61 | 190304 | ||
Greetings Zoe! Thanks for the response! I have to be quick, as I need to get a couple hours of sleep before going back to work. :-( Your definition of murder is an example of what I am talking about when I say that we need to stick with precisely what Scripture actually states. Murder is never defined in Scripture as 'willful killing'. If this is the definition of murder, then God commanded people in the OT to violate one of the 10 commandments. :-) My understanding of murder has always been that it is 'unlawful killing'. There are times in the Bible when it is appropriate to take another life. For instance, 1) Certain sins are punishable by death. 2) Wars were commanded by God, in which people died as a result of a direct command of God. 3) Self defense is permissible in Scripture. All of these are 'willful killings', but they are willful killing done under the authority of God. In other words, murder involves killing, but all killing is not murder. We certainly are told to turn the other cheek, but the context of the passage deals with our attitude toward those who have wronged us personally. I may allow someone to treat me unfairly, but there is no indication that God meant that I should just stand there and watch someone else be killed by an evil person. So, for instance, if I saw a man beating a woman on the street, I would intervene - physically if necessary. That would not be a violation of the 'turning the other cheek' principle. We are also certainly to wait on the Lord and seek His direction, but sometimes God directs us to act as well. The God of the New Testament is the same God as in the Old Testament. If He commanded wars in the Old Testament, then obviously all wars are not evil; otherwise, a holy God could not command them. :-) Having said that, there certainly are evil wars as well - too many! :-( As for 'being like children', even children have sin natures. Read the papers and one can see that even children are capable of murder. Well, I have to get to bed my friend! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Lack of Indifference | Mark 16:18 | humbledbyhisgrace | 190306 | ||
Good stuff Brother Tim! Your post reminded me of a couple of things said by Albert Mohler Jr. and Henlee Barnette in an article on this subject I had read. "In both the Old and New Testaments, the demands of justice require that those who do evil be punished for those acts of evil," he said. "War is one of the means by which peace is re-established." - Albert Mohler Jr. Barnette agreed, saying that the Greek word for "love" -- agape -- demands justice. "You can't have agape [love] without justice," he said. "Otherwise it is purely sentimentality. I go along with Augustine on this. You may hit me on the right cheek, [and] I'll turn the left. But you hit one of my family [members], and you're going to get justice." - Henlee Barnette Steve |
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6 | Lack of Indifference | Mark 16:18 | azurelaw | 190314 | ||
Dear Steve, Thank you for your quote from Henlee Barnette. While there was a request from a friend last night which troubling me, what Barnette said does help to enlighten me to make my decision. Thank you again. :-) Shalom Azure |
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