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1 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222937 | ||
Hi srbaegon As you can see I have finished with the discussion, but seeing that you were the first to respond, I felt it befitting that you be the last that I would address. I thank you for your information, and it was not my intent to offend you in any way. I read the article you put the link for, it was interesting. Let me see if I can clarify better to you my feelings as this should be the last post on the matter, you are entitled to at least that. My saying a trivializing was in reference to the statements made by Viola and Barna 1) In our day, the "sinner's prayer" has replaced the role of water baptism as the initial confession of faith. 2) Unbelievers are told, "Say this prayer after me, accept Jesus as your personal Savior, and you will be saved." 3) But nowhere in all the New Testament do we find any person being led to the Lord by a sinner's prayer. And there is not the faintest whisper in the Bible about a "personal" Savior. 4) Instead, unbelievers in the first century were led to Jesus Christ by being taken to the waters of baptism. 5) Put another way, water baptism was the sinner's prayer in century one! 6) Baptism accompanied the acceptance of the gospel. So what I was seeing were 6 times they put Baptism into a ritualistic catagory. I am sorry, but I take that whole statement of theirs, as a trivializing of Baptism itself, as well as scripture. Maybe I am being to critical, but that is the way I see it. They have, through there comparison with the sinners prayer, put them both into the same category of things that Christians do that have no meaning. I have to say there is meaning in Baptism. Rom 6:3-6 3) Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? 4) Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. 5) For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: 6) Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. That is my meaning of the trivialization, because baptism was a mandate from Jesus, unlike the sinners prayer. I did go on further in my first post to you, with my explanation by saying. "based on the grounds that this understanding does not explain the passage, it merely negates it, putting it into the realm of not meaning what it actually said." I regret the way I phrased my statement, it was not directed toward you. Hoping I have managed to be more succinct this time. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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2 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | Searcher56 | 222941 | ||
God's day to you, Read my post 113864 on this verse. In the early church people were baptized right after they were saved. Today, most churches delay. Baptism never savs. While we delay baptism, we allow one to take the Lord's Supper right away ... tho Paul warns about if we do it wrong. S |
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3 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222947 | ||
Hi Searcher56 Could you please clarify these statements. When you say 1) "Baptism never saves." - - - True 2) "Today, most churches delay." - - - This is also true. 3) "While we delay baptism, we allow one to take the Lord's Supper right away" - - - True again 4) "Thou Paul warns about if we do it wrong." While the 3 statements of yours are all true, you never say, just what it is that you believe Baptism does give us. Although in your number 3,4 statements you do allude to some special significance assigned to Baptism. If Baptism does not afford us anything, why then should those that are not Baptized, be excluded from communion? Why then in your opinion is today's practice wrong? In our attempting to answer the question of whether or not Baptism saves, the best arguments against Baptismal Salvation, would be the scriptures themselves, which describe just what we do attain from Baptism, thereby nullifying any clams that (Baptism does indeed Save). Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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