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1 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222922 | ||
Hi Doc Always good to hear from you You cite 3 reasons for believing this verse does not belong. 1. It is absent from most of the earliest manuscripts. 2. Early church writers tell us that it is absent from many other manuscripts. 3. There are stylistic aspects of this passage that are not in keeping with the rest of the book. As far as I am concerned, I believe the Bible to be the inerrant word of God to the Church, mind you I said Church, as the mystical body of Christ, not any religion, I also believe that this inerrancy extends as far as the canon itself, as well as the writers of the books, I do not in any way believe that anything having to do with the Bible is not what it appears to be. Therefore I take with a grain of spiritual salt, what New Testament scholars might have to say on the matter. Others have said the book of Mark was actually written by Peter. If we took what they all say now, or have said in the past, all we would have left of our Bibles, would be a very nice piece of leather, (with our name embossed on it in gold). I may sound old fashioned, but I have to believe the canon we have received, is the one that GOD wanted us to have. I'm sorry but when it comes to belief, just because someone has a Phd, or Ma. after their name, I still question their findings, (teachings). We have been warned in the Bible about False teachers, when I hear of such things, I question the motive for such statements. What I mean is, do these teachings edify the reader, or do they make the reader, question the Bible text as true or not? (example) Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? Once the doubt has been raised, then any belief is possible. We can become to sophisticated in our beliefs, when God meant His word to be understood by the simplest of men. When you said "After all, doing something in the natural and expecting supernatural results has a name: magic -- and we are told to eschew such things." I know you didn't mean these such things did you? Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life. Col 2:12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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2 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | DocTrinsograce | 222924 | ||
Dear lightedsteps, I take great pains to say what I mean. I believe in the inerrancy of Scripture. Indeed, I will go one step better, I will clarify what is meant by this essential doctrine, once again, and affirm my commitment to it. Please see the Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy, to which I thoughtfully, carefully, studiously, assuredly, and completely agree: http://www.bible-researcher.com/chicago1.html (I really wish you would let me send you that book. It would help you stand on firmer ground with your particular theological slant. There really are those that share your perspective, men of great learning and piety. Intellectualism is an issue -- the intellect and the application of it is a gift of God. You need not shun the scribes of the kingdom (Matthew 13:52) when they operate in full submission to the authority of the Word.) The science of textual criticism is our ally. It does not raise doubt, quite on the contrary. You asked, "I know you didn't mean these such things did you?" (sic) I take great care about what I say, especially here on the forum. I make every effort to say authoritatively what God has. I try to say just as much as He has said, but no less than He has said. I further make every effort to carefully qualify everything I say that lacks such authority. My efforts on the forum are a service to Him. How could I do anything less for Him, then to perfectly walk out Ephesians 4:29? After six months on the forum, do you really need to ask me such a thing? :-( So, to answer your question directly: Yes... you do not? So, before I proceed, let me be certain of your meaning. Do I understand your references to Romans 6:4 and Colossians 2:12 to be an effort to show that doing something in the natural is capable of causing a supernatural result? Would you mind stating your assertion a bit more explicitly? It is past my bedtime. Based on your further clarification, I will respond tomorrow. Good night. In Him, Doc |
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3 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222926 | ||
Hi Doc I hope you aren't of the mind, that I would be remiss in the doing my utmost in the fulfilling of Eph.4:29 also. I think your assessment of my meaning to be found within Rom., and Col. would be fair, I do feel as though they are representative of the doing something in the natural, which then in turn is capable of causing a supernatural result. This is not saying, our doing causes the result, it is all Gods doing. Our place is to follow those things He has said to do, the result then will follow the actions He has said they would follow. I too can say, I thoughtfully, carefully, studiously, assuredly, and completely agree: with The Chicago Statement on Biblical Inerrancy. I am curious as to what you might think, on just what my particular theological slant might be? I take great care about what I say, here on the forum. I make every effort to say authoritatively what God has, using scripture whenever, and wherever possible. My efforts on the forum are a service to Him. Our modes of operation my differ, but our goals are still the same. We both come from diametrically opposed backgrounds, yours being Jewish, mine being Catholic. We both have a unique perspective that not all Christians have, with their having been raised with a more, or less Protestant background. All I can say is, were both on the same path, God is lighting the way, because of our differing backgrounds, there are things you will accept that I won't, and there are things that I will accept that you won't, neither one is wrong in our beliefs, we just have differing perspectives. In closing, I apologies for my affront, your right, I should have known:-( Are we still friends:-) If your e-mail address on your profile is still valid, I will drop you a line. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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4 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | DocTrinsograce | 222929 | ||
Dear lightedsteps, It is good to hear that we have a single and similar vision concerning our efforts to honor our Lord in what we say and do. Since becoming a Christian, I have discovered that life is so much less complex when that is our sole and open agenda (Acts 26:26b). Thank you for helping me be certain about your exegesis of those verses. More on that in a post to follow this one. I actually consider myself catholic too. Only I use a little c. :-) The Jewish thing is virtually of no importance. I continue to spend a lot of time in studying theology, but had I done so prior to my redemption, I think it would have been pretty much a waste of time (Philippians 3:8). Some things are similar on the surface, but that is solely by virtue of the Scripture itself. One of my professors used to say, "Even a blind hog can run across an acorn now and then." :-) Thank you for clarifying your theological starting point. I had guessed, although I was still narrowing the list down to at least two other possibilities. Communication is so much easier when we understand our fundamental presuppositions. By the way, I took no affront. I was simply disappointed that I do such a poor job of communicating. I guess I should be used to it by now. On the other hand, I should not be overly disappointed, but take it as stimulus to improve. Please, yes, send me an email. I am always happy to receive email from my forum friends (readers or participants)... so feel free to drop a line or ten. :-) In Him, Doc |
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