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1 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222906 | ||
In relation to the thread that is going on now, (Becoming a Christian) I ask for some clarification on this verse spoken by Jesus. Mar 16:16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. Does not this verse clearly equate believing with baptism, as part of the same package? Grace lightedsteps |
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2 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | srbaegon | 222907 | ||
Hello lightedsteps, I touched on this in a blog entry earlier this year (http://srbricker.blogspot.com/2010/01/water-water-everywhere.html). What you find is that the NT references to baptism have an absolute and unbreakable link to salvation. But understand that baptism in the NT was the confession of faith like the so-called "Sinner's prayer" used today. Instead of talk, there was action. The correct understanding of what happened was misunderstood in later years of the church, eventually giving rise to the doctrine of baptismal regeneration. Steve |
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3 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222913 | ||
Hi srbaegon Thanks for the reply, I read the article, interesting. Although I have not read the book you have mentioned, I can see where someone as yourself that was leaning in that direction to begin with, would easily accept the explanation which you say was put forward by these two men. So is it your contention, that when the disciples went about baptizing, according to what Jesus had said to them, in Mk.16:16 they were performing these baptisms, as nothing more than what could be called ones Christian Confession of Faith, such as today's (Sinners Prayer), with no more meaning than a ritual? Isn't that trivializing the Mk.16:16 passage, based on the grounds that this understanding does not explain the passage, it merely negates it, putting it into the realm of not meaning what it actually said. By keeping the passage in sight, I cannot see where it would apply, although I can understand that human nature being what it is, through the course of time, things do tend to lose their meaning. I had no idea when asking the question, it was such a hotly contested verse. I guess the only way of understanding the Mark passage, would be summed up in another verse. Rom 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. When it comes down to it, there are differences of opinion as to the meaning of what was meant in Mk. 16:16, these opinions come from ones own believed doctrine, some would say one thing, while others would counter with an opposite opinion. Maybe that is the way God wanted things to be, Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. Thanks again for the input. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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4 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | Inquisitor | 222914 | ||
It would seem that Matt 28:19 gives this matter quite a bit of power and authority, don't you think? There's over 80 verses in the Bible that refer to this subject. I agree some of them are a little vague but most are pretty clear. | ||||||
5 | believeth and is baptized | Mark 16:16 | lightedsteps | 222927 | ||
Hi Inquisitor Sorry but I don't think Matt.28:19 can be connected to Mk.16:16. You say "There's over 80 verses in the Bible that refer to this subject. I agree some of them are a little vague but most are pretty clear." my advice Copy, and paste them all onto one place, where you can read, and compare them all at the asme time, and against each other. Having doen that, then start the process of elimination, being very critical as to just what is being said, if it doesn't stand muster then deleat it. Don't worry about convincing anybody else, Convince yourself, or Unconvince yourself. Let the Holy Spirit teach you. At this point you have a belief, find out if that belief is true or not. You need to be able to see the forest, not the indevidual trees. These 80 some verses need to agree or there is no truth. Grace be unto you lightedsteps |
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