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1 | Where are the scriptures, believers? | Matt 6:15 | Makarios | 15263 | ||
Hello there Bill! Surely, "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord." (Romans 6:23) Noone will escape physical death: "And inasmuch as it is appointed for men to die once and after this comes judgment" (Hebrews 9:27) However, John 8:7 and 1 John 1:8 says, "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us." (ASV) Are you, Bill, completely sinless and without sin? What happens if you do sin? Do you, although you are a believer, not ask for Christ to forgive you of your sins, which were done after you accepted Christ? Even the "Great Saints" of the Bible, such as Isaiah (Is. 6:5), Daniel (Dan. 9:4-20), and Paul (Eph. 3:8), recognized their own sinfulness. What are we to do with Daniel 9:19-20, when he pleaded to the Lord for forgiveness? And Daniel did this while possessing an "extraordinary spirit" (Dan. 6:3)!! In other words, Daniel believed, and he asked for forgiveness. If you contend that we should not ask for forgiveness (believers) in light of our sin, then how do you handle these passages: Matthew 7:11, John 14:13, 15:16, 16:23,26 that seem to say that the Father will honor our request and forgive us if we will only ask Him? Bill, we cannot escape death, that is a fact! But what do you suggest that we are to do when we sin? (Yes, when "BELIEVERS" sin?) For the same "rules" that apply to unbelievers also apply to believers, that we must confess our sin and ask for forgiveness. And this is a continual process! Job recognized this (Job 1:5) even though he was considered "righteous" and repented before God (Job 42:6) while Job held that he, in fact, did not sin. A New Testament example? Acts 3:19, 8:22, 17:30, 26:20, Rev. 2:5, 2:16,21-22, and Revelation 3:19, which says, "Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I reprove and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent." (ASV) Do you have any argument left to stand on? --Nolan |
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2 | Where are the scriptures, believers? | Matt 6:15 | Bill Mc | 15268 | ||
Dear Nolan, I requested examples of believers AFTER the death of Christ (when the New Covenant went into effect) asking God for forgiveness. Let's see what you offered: "If you contend that we should not ask for forgiveness (believers) in light of our sin, then how do you handle these passages: Matthew 7:11, John 14:13, 15:16, 16:23,26 that seem to say that the Father will honor our request and forgive us if we will only ask Him?" None of these passages are talking about forgiveness. Do you then, Nolan, use these passages to ask God for redemption, reconciliation, sanctification, or a new Cadillac? "A New Testament example?" Acts 3:19 - Peter is refering to what the prophets foretold, that Messiah would wipe away sins. See verse 20 - "that He may send Jesus" Did He do this or not? Acts 8:22 - Spoken to Simon (an unbeliever at the time - he was trying to buy God's power) Acts 17:30 - Paul is speaking to the men of Athens, very religious, but certainly not Christians Acts 26:20 - That the Gentiles (unbelievers) would repent and turn to God. Again, not to Christians Rev. 2:5, 2:16,21-22, 3:19, - Obviously, written to churches made up of, then as now, both unbelievers and believers. This is the same way as the churches that received John's letters. Churches have both believers and unbelievers in them. You have not proven your point or answered my questions. And, the 'ask anything in My name' passages are all taken out of context. Frankly, as knowledgeable as you are about scripture, I'm surprised you resorted to that. But you did surprise me. I've never seen anyone use those scriptures to substantiate 1 John 1:9. Let's try an easier one. What does 1 John 2:12 mean to you? This is the same author, the same audience EXCEPT he is addressing his 'little children.' "I am writing to you, little children, because your sins HAVE BEEN (past tense) FORGIVEN you for His name's sake. Also, compare 1 John 1:8 - 'the truth is not in us' with 1 John 2:21 - 'you do know it (truth). These MUST be two different audiences, his 'little children' and the gnostic element. Nolan, if you can't answer my questions without pulling verses out of context, then it would be best to let someone else reply. Thank you. In Him, Bill Mc |
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3 | Where are the scriptures, believers? | Matt 6:15 | Kelkat | 15290 | ||
You are both right. God has already forgiven our sins in that Jesus Christ died on the cross for them. However, God is continually trying to mold us into the the likeness of His Son, therefore He requires our repentence. It may be "pre-death," but Jesus taught us how to pray, and one element was confession. | ||||||