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1 | Does this apply to Christians? | Matt 6:15 | Radioman | 15288 | ||
1 John 3:9 (Amplified Bible) No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God’s nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine sperm, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God Bill Mc: Having read your post (the one to which this is a reply), I think I now have a better understanding of your position. Stated as it is here, I believe I agree with you far more than I disagree. According to the Scriptures, I believe that when I was saved -- born again, received justification in the eyes of God -- at that time ALL my sins were forgiven -- past, present and future. I do not see my salvation as being dependent upon a works-righteousness system in which God keeps a record of every sin and then I must go through the proper formula and ritual of penance in order to maintain my salvation. That is not at all what I believe. Further, I find it interesting that whenever the Eternal Security/Eternal Insecurity debate is brought up, people pull out many favorite Scriptures to support their beliefs. But one Scripture that is never even mentioned is, I believe, a very relevant Scripture that should be considered in the debate. And I think this Scripture will shed further light on the topic in this thread. I would that all of the Forum readers read the following from 1 John prayerfully and carefully. Try to see what it is saying and notice how the Amplified defines key words in the text, especially the words sin, sinning and commits sin. Once again, thank you Bill for trying one more time to get people like me to understand your position. :-) I am glad to see that you and I are not at all on opposite sides. The Scripture quote immediately follows my signature. In Christ, Radioman 1 John 3:4-10 Amplified Bible 4 Everyone who commits (practices) sin is guilty of lawlessness; for [that is what] sin is, lawlessness (the breaking, violating of God’s law by transgression or neglect—being unrestrained and unregulated by His commands and His will). 5 You know that He appeared in visible form and became Man to take away [upon Himself] sins, and in Him there is no sin [essentially and forever]. 6 No one who abides in Him [who lives and remains in communion with and in obedience to Him—deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] commits (practices) sin. No one who [habitually] sins has either seen or known Him [recognized, perceived, or understood Him, or has had an experiential acquaintance with Him]. 7 Boys (lads), let no one deceive and lead you astray. He who practices righteousness [who is upright, conforming to the divine will in purpose, thought, and action, living a consistently conscientious life] is righteous, even as He is righteous. 8 [But] he who commits sin [who practices evildoing] is of the devil [takes his character from the evil one], for the devil has sinned (violated the divine law) from the beginning. The reason the Son of God was made manifest (visible) was to undo (destroy, loosen, and dissolve) the works the devil [has done]. ***9 No one born (begotten) of God [deliberately, knowingly, and habitually] practices sin, for God’s nature abides in him [His principle of life, the divine sperm, remains permanently within him]; and he cannot practice sinning because he is born (begotten) of God.*** 10 By this it is made clear who take their nature from God and are His children and who take their nature from the devil and are his children: no one who does not practice righteousness [who does not conform to God’s will in purpose, thought, and action] is of God; neither is anyone who does not love his brother (his fellow believer in Christ). |
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2 | Does this apply to Christians? | Matt 6:15 | Bill Mc | 15304 | ||
Dear Radioman, Thanks for the post. I do not have an 'amplified' Bible, so I found your post very interesting. It sure makes the translation 'fresh.' See, even an old dog like me can be taught a new trick occasionally. The 'divine sperm' is a little wierd but I understand the meaning of it. I am thankful that you don't view me or my view as a threat. I honestly do try to balance what I feel is the truth with love. But I sometimes have little patience with legalists. Unfortunately, many people hear what they want to hear (myself included) and sometimes all they "hear" is, 'Bill is saying that he doesn't sin and that he has no need for God's forgiveness.' or 'Bill is saying that a Christian does not confess his sins.' That is so far from what I believe that I sometimes don't know where to go to even start to counter it. A true Christian (by even your translation) has God's Spirit within Him and that Spirit ALWAYS confesses (agrees) with God. I may not immediately turn from my sin when convicted, I may even try to (hopelessly) justify it, but I NEVER deny that it is sin. And I never deny that I will ALWAYS, while I dwell in this body, have a need for God's forgiveness. God knows that I have personally broken the '70 times 7' limit many times in my 42 years on this earth. I don't ALWAYS feel forgiven. In fact, I don't ALWAYS feel saved. But my feelings are not the determining factor for where I stand with God. His Word is. I am gradually learning to rely upon God and what He says instead of my own understanding and feelings. Radioman, could you do me one more favor before leaving this subject? I would greatly appreciate it if you could post 1 John 1:8-10 in the 'amplified' Bible here for myself and other readers to see. Ultimately, each one of us must decide for himself/herself what the truth of the issue of forgiveness is. That is where the Spirit will lead us into (not always instantaneously impart) ALL truth. Blessings (even forgiveness) In Christ, Bill Mc |
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3 | Does this apply to Christians? | Matt 6:15 | Radioman | 15305 | ||
The Amplified Bible: 1 John 1: 8 If we say we have no sin [refusing to admit that we are sinners], we delude and lead ourselves astray, and the Truth [which the Gospel presents] is not in us [does not dwell in our hearts]. 9 If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action]. 10 If we say (claim) we have not sinned, we contradict His Word and make Him out to be false and a liar, and His Word is not in us [the divine message of the Gospel is not in our hearts]. The Amplified New Testament, (La Habra CA: The Lockman Foundation) 1999. Bill Mc: You write: "Radioman, could you do me one more favor before leaving this subject? I would greatly appreciate it if you could post 1 John 1:8-10 in the 'amplified' Bible here for myself and other readers to see. Ultimately, each one of us must decide for himself/herself what the truth of the issue of forgiveness is. That is where the Spirit will lead us into (not always instantaneously impart) ALL truth." Bill: I count it my privilege and pleasure to do you a favor. Any time. Radioman |
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