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1 | Where are the scriptures, believers? | Matt 6:15 | Bill Mc | 15254 | ||
Dear fellow believers, Please humor me for a moment. Permit me to say, that 1 John 1:9 is NOT for believers. Temporarily pretend that it is NOT in the scriptures. Now, where else after Christ death on the cross (that provided forgiveness and taking away of sins) does any believer mention asking God to forgive their sins? Please show me a passage. The evangelical doctrine of 'keep on asking for forgiveness when you sin' surely MUST have more than just one verse to substantiate it. So where is it? Surely Paul, Peter, James or the writer of Hebrews substantiated John's assertion that believers are NOT completely forgiven (according to some). Where is the scripture to back it up? Please show me where, other that 1 John, the wages of sin in ANYONE's life is anything other that death. Can anyone do this? Thank you, In Christ, Bill Mc |
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2 | Where are the scriptures, believers? | Matt 6:15 | Morant61 | 15276 | ||
Greetings Bill Mc! I could only find two possible references - Acts 8:22 and James 5:15. Acts 8:22 - I know that you have said that this refered to an unbeliever, but that is debatable. Acts 8:13 says that he believed and was baptized. Then, in Acts 8:24, he seems to have repented of his wickedness. So, there are two possible ways to view this passage. James 5:15 - This is the only undisputable passage I could find. The reason I say this is that the verse says, "if he has sinned". There is no doubt that an unbeliever has sinned. Therefore, this must refer to a person who would not be expected to sin. This could only refer to a believer. Either way, there aren't many references are there? Great question! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Where are the scriptures, believers? | Matt 6:15 | Bill Mc | 15280 | ||
Dear Tim, You right, James 5:15 is a difficult passage. Here's what I believe. James was addressing problems in this body of believers. One of them is that they couldn't get along. See James 4:1. I understand James 5:15,16 to be forgiveness between members. (I could be wrong, that is why I ask to be challenged. The truth will survive serious scrutiny.) He says in verse 16, confess your sins to one another (not to God) so that the relationships can be healed. We still very much need to do that. Why? Because we do not often offer each other the unconditional love that Christ offers us. The antithesis of James 5:15 would be, "his sins won't be forgiven." This just doesn't fit with the rest of the scriptures about forgiveness and what, I believe, Christ has done. But, thanks for the challenge. I really do appreciate it. I will definately have to look at the book of James closer. That, believe it or not, was what I was seeking - some scripture that doesn't line up with my 'theology.' Now, where's my commentaries...? ;) Thanks for the honest reply without labeling me a heretic. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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4 | Where are the scriptures, believers? | Matt 6:15 | Morant61 | 15281 | ||
Greetings Bill Mc! A heretic? Not a chance! :-) Actually, I'm close to your view of forgiveness, but for a different reason. I'm an Arminian. As such, I view the atonement as being univeral in scope. Therefore, I would extend your argument to say that in the atonement, everyone's sins are forgiven. But, it is only when we respond to the gospel that we receive the benefits. So, we have different reasons, but similar thinking! p.s. - To those on the forum who tire of the Calvinism and Arminianism debate: Don't respond, I'm not trying to start a debate. I'm just explaining my viewpoint! Did you notice that I refrained from participating in the Once Saved, Always Saved thread? :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Where are the scriptures, believers? | Matt 6:15 | Bill Mc | 15283 | ||
Dear Tim, I don't know what an Arminian or a Calvinist is. I know enough to know that they seem to be at odds or war or something. I know it sounds stupid but I haven't studied either one. Nevertheless, I agree with your statement, 'in the atonement, everyone's sins are forgiven. But, it is only when we respond to the gospel that we receive the benefits.' Complete forgiveness is provided for everyone but it is part of the package when we receive Christ - "In Him we have redemption, the forgiveness of sin." "God was in Christ, reconciling the WORLD to Himself, not counting men's sins against them." - 2 Cor 5:19 "In Him we have received the reconciliation." - Romans 5:10,11 (I think that's the reference) I believe that God has reconciled the world to Himself because, well...He said so. That's why Paul says, "God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself...so we beg you on behalf of Christ, BE reconciled to God." God has done it, so believe it and BE it - accept that it is true. I feel the same way about the forgiveness issue. "In Him, we HAVE redemption, the forgiveness of sins." God has forgiven us IN CHRIST so BE forgiven. God has done it, so believe it and BE it - accept that it is true. Take care, Tim. Rest in His love, Bill Mc |
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6 | Where are the scriptures, believers? | Matt 6:15 | Morant61 | 15287 | ||
Greetings Bill! Amen! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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