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1 | I CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW | Matt 5:17 | Lionstrong | 12388 | ||
Dear Pyle, Where does one deduce from the Scripture that there is such an age? And if there is, how does such an age allow us to disobey God's law? Peace, Lionstrong |
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2 | I CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW | Matt 5:17 | There | 22280 | ||
Jesus Himself changed some of the moral laws. See specifically Matt. 5:33-48. Jesus also fulfilled some -- ceremonial and Levitical. Christ is the one time perfect sacrifice, and also our new high priest. Also Paul makes a distinction between God's Law and Christ's Law in 1Corinthians 9:21. Paul understood apparently that they are not the exact same thing. |
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3 | I CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW | Matt 5:17 | Lionstrong | 22854 | ||
Dear There, thank you for taking the time to read my post and respond to it. You, however, did not answer the questions I address to Pyle, namely, where does one deduce from the Scripture that there is such an age (of grace)? And if there is such an age, how does it allow us to disobey God's law? Peace, Lionstrong, a.k.a. LooseCannon | ||||||
4 | I CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW | Matt 5:17 | There | 23199 | ||
Lionstrong, aka LooseCannon? :) I'm not sure that I understand exactly what you mean by "age of grace". I've heard the term many times, but it seems to me, different people mean different things by those words. As to whether or not we can disobey God's law or not... the answer is "no", but there is a difference between "keeping" the Torah (all of God's LAWS), and God's "understanding" of His law that is deeper than human understanding. I will try to explain. God's law said certain things. If a person reads it... we will have an understanding of the words written -- our own human understanding. Jesus showed us that in his examples in Matthew 5, where he added "depth" to the teachings of the Torah. He showed us "God's understanding" of those words written on paper (stone and papyrus in earlier years of course). God's understanding can only happen for each of us when we are being taught by the indwelling Holy Spirit. So we are to OBEY God's law which He writes on our hearts... but we are not under the LAW to keep it when it is only by our own human understanding. Example using one of the Ten Commandments. Thou shalt not kill. With human understanding we know that we shouldn't murder someone. And "keeping" that is good, but not in itself a complete "act of love" towards others according to God's understanding. With God's understanding (Matt. 5:21-26) we know that we are not even to THINK angry thoughts against our brother nor call him evil names... or we've just broken that commandment. I sincerely believe that each of the commandments given in Torah... have deeper meanings than just what we read on the surface. This would include the Sabbath, especially since all God's commands are culminated in the two great commands -- which are the "laws" of love toward God and man. Since the Sabbath is one that comes up so often I will also use that as an example. "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shall you work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God... " Man's understanding says "go to church and take a day off from work on Saturday". I believe that God's understanding has more "depth" than that. Jesus does not address this really except to say that He is Lord of the Sabbath, and that the Sabbath (day of rest) was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. In other words God knew man would NEED a day of rest every week from his usual labors, and I think Jesus thought we'd understand what it meant when He said He was Lord of the Sabbath too. Paul explains a bit more concerning the Sabbath when he states that our "rest" is in the Lord through faith. Hebrews 4:3 "For we who have believed DO ENTER that rest..." (vs 11) "Let us therefore be diligent to enter that rest, lest anyone fall after the same example of disobedience." So yes, as human beings we physically need a day of rest per week. As new creations in God through faith, we have already entered into the rest that God intended for His children by that command. And I believe that is why Paul states in Romans 14:4-5, "Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand. One person esteems one day above another [6th or 7th?], another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind." ... because if someone observes one day or every day -- it is still observed to the Lord... and repeat, Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath. He is Lord of the rest (Sabbath) that we now have through faith. Backing up... if by "age of grace" you mean the new covanant -- and the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, then YES things have changed immeasurably. We are no longer under the LAW as we humanly understand it, but under God's grace where we each learn directly from Him exactly how He understands those things. So from a totally human perspective... many of the LAWS (Torah) have actually changed. But if we look at those same LAWS from God's perspective they have not. It would be sort of like the difference between reading an outline about a book and reading the book itself. We can say that every major event written in the book is included in the outline (Torah) which they are, but all of the details are still missing... until we read the entire book (learn the Torah from the Holy Spirit). If this still doesn't answer your question to me, please ask again. Perhaps we're just on two different wave-lengths here. :) God bless. |
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5 | I CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW | Matt 5:17 | Reformer Joe | 23338 | ||
We are not sure who exactly is the author of Hebrews. In any case, the "Sabbath rest" in Hebrews 4 is a future rest for the people of God still on earth. It REMAINS for us, we must be DILIGENT to make sure that we are one of the ones who enter it. Read Hebrews 4 again in the context of the whole book and it becomes pretty clear that the Sabbath rest is Heaven, not reconciliation (Hebrews 4:1,6,9,11) Please show me where, as a Gentile, I was ever under the Mosaic Covenant (if that is what you mean by the Law). --Joe! |
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6 | I CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW | Matt 5:17 | There | 23344 | ||
Hi Joe, I disagree that the "rest" spoken of in Hebrews is a future event. I think that when we "rest" in Jesus we cease from our works and instead do the works of the Father. And again, I think that is why it states "For we who have believed do enter that rest..." I do not mean that God's law is the Mosaic Covenant. God's law is everlasting. The Mosaic Covenant became obsolete and we are under the New Covenant. It states that the Torah (instructions and teachings of God, law of God) was given so man would recognize his sinfulness, and then what?? God's intent was always the same. He wanted man to come to Him in repentance, and listen to His voice -- learn from Him. God was willing to speak to the children of Isreal in a very real way, but because of their fear they pleaded to have God speak to them through Moses. So instead of listening to God's voice (teaching and instruction - law), they had the written Torah. Anyone who became a member of Judaism was required to conform to it's teachings. Under the New Covenant, we who believe are not "under" the written Torah, but under our Teacher -- the Holy Spirit of God. And because we are "under" Him... we are under His authority and therefore we must obey His commands to us. God's laws have not changed, but there is a major difference between human understanding and God's understanding of those "laws" that were written in the Torah. As believers we have access to God's understanding of His laws. Does that answer your request? Gentiles are not under the Mosaic Covenant, and no one was ever expected to really be placed "under the law" in the Mosaic Covenant -- not even the Jews. God's intent according to scripture was that man should look at the law and recognize his sin... and then come to Him. And many "Jews" (Israelites) did that, such as Samuel, Elijah, Elisha, Ezra, Nehemiah, Esther, David, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Ezekiel, Daniel etc. Their relationship with the Lord was not just one of "prophecy" but of a personal nature... and they obeyed the Lord's commands to them. If I misunderstood what you meant, please explain further. God bless. |
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7 | I CAME TO FULFILL THE LAW | Matt 5:17 | There | 23345 | ||
And before I get myself in trouble I better add that the Torah included "teachings" that do not pertain to us today. I know we all know that, but I didn't mention it in that last post and thought I better clarify. The law God wants to write on our hearts has to do with His moral law (the law of love) -- of which there are many, many more than TEN. | ||||||