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1 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193161 | ||
I am saying that Jesus, while he was here on earth, could have, if he wanted to, given into temptation. After his death, he ascended to the Father and was then no longer able to because his full majesty had been restored and he was "exalted", as Paul puts it in Phillipians 2. The reason why I say this is because Jesus died. He chose to die, but died. If he was God and at his full majesty, he could not have died. Jesus didn't know things, like when the second coming was. Yet, Jesus is God and omniscient. There are inconsistancies about the Life of Jesus and what he was capable of that don't add up with the Doctrine of God found elsewhere. Paul, as I have mentioned before, says in Phillipians 2 that Jesus emptied himself and became the form of Man. Prior to Jesus being here during his earthly life, I believe he could not have given into temptation. After his earthly life, he could not have given into temptation. I believe these whole heartedly. However, the only explaination that I have is that while during his life on earth .. between the time of the virgin birth and the resurrection, Jesus was not at the full glory and majesty that he is at all other times. As such, there are things that would normally be impossible for him, that he was capable of doing so. Now, I am not down playing his divinity. His divine nature made such things as giving into temptation extremely difficult, and very easy for him to resist. Jesus got hungry. Jesus got thirsty. Jesus got hurt. Jesus died. Jesus cried. Jesus got mad. Jesus didn't know certain things. Jesus ran from danger. Do these things sound like attributes of God? Jesusman |
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2 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | BradK | 193162 | ||
Hello Jesusman, You might want to quit wile you're ahead?:-) To say "Jesus, while he was here on earth, could have, if he wanted to, given into temptation" is simply speculation. You're postulating upon something that didn't happen and furthermore- if it did - would have doomed mankind! You can't have much of a Savior when He falls into temptation. To be our Mediator, Christ had to fulfill 3 things: 1. He had to be God; 2. he had to be man; 3. He had to be sinless He fulfilled all 3! Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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3 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193163 | ||
Trust me, this horse has been whipped enough, and the best we can all do is to agree to disagree. Most of the points made have been valid ones. However, my concerns remain. If you examine the earthly life of Christ, there are many things that he did that does not hold true to the commonly taught doctrines of God. I listed many of them earlier. God is all knowing, yet Jesus admitted to not knowing when the second coming was. God is the creator, yet Jesus got hungry and thirsty. God is the eternal Judge, yet Jesus fled from self-righteous and sinful jews intent on stoning him. God is all powerful, yet Jesus was weakened by the fasting during his 40 days of the temptation. He was weakened and hurt prior to the death on the cross. During the temptation, Satan questions Jesus's authority. Jesus could have called down 10 thousand legions of angels to his side to subdue and be rid of Satan. It was well within his power and authority to do so. However, it was exactly what Satan wanted him to do. Satan wanted Jesus to use his powers, but Jesus refused to. He answered every temptation with scripture. Every time he is met with a temptation by Satan, Jesus falls back onto the Word. By Jesus having the capacity to giving into temptation, but using the Word of God to rebuke temptation, it is a much stronger statement of what is possible. Jesus is supposed to understand our struggles and trials. He is supposed to know what it's like to be tempted to compromise and give in just a little bit in order for things to turn out better. Yet .. if he's not capable of giving into temptation, then he cheated here. "OH yeah .. it was easy for Jesus rebuke temptation, he's God and such wouldn't even phase him. That's not our case! We don't have that luxury." With the capability to give into temptation while during his earthly life, even if it's a small chance, Jesus can reply "But I do understand. You know what I did? I did the same thing you can do. I had the same options you had. Give in .. or fall back onto the Word of God." Jesusman |
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4 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | BradK | 193170 | ||
Hey Brother, I think we can all agree on this: "For we do not have a high priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but One who has been tempted in all things as we are, yet without sin. Therefore let us draw near with confidence to the throne of grace, so that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need." (Heb. 4:15-16 NASB) Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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