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1 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Wild Olive Shoot | 193134 | ||
Just a few points Jesusman, in responding to both of your posts. First off, when your car is all knowing, then it will understand what temptation is without the capability of giving in. That is partly the point in the article, the omniscience of God. He knows. Can God die you ask? Look at John 10:18. He had the power to take it again, and from whom? Now, if Jesus is the eternal begotten Son, why do you think He is different today? He willingly emptied Himself, but never ceased to be divine. He has the same nature today as ever otherwise He is not a sufficient Mediator. And if you still hold to this position, please see Hebrews 13:8 and then tell me again that Christ has changed. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. God exalted Jesus which was in a way, I suppose, a reward for His humility as Matthew Henry writes concerning His exaltation: “Because he humbled himself, God exalted him; and he highly exalted him, huperupsose, raised him to an exceeding height. He exalted his whole person, the human nature as well as the divine; for he is spoken of as being in the form of God as well as in the fashion of man. As it respects the divine nature, it could only be the recognizing of his rights, or the display and appearance of the glory he had with the Father before the world was (Joh_17:5), not any new acquisition of glory; and so the Father himself is said to be exalted. But the proper exaltation was of his human nature, which alone seems to be capable of it, though in conjunction with the divine.” Jesus was tempted my friend, but there was never a chance He could have sinned. But that doesn’t make it any less of a temptation. A few simple yes or no questions for you: Was and is Jesus God? Has he ever stopped being God? Can God sin? For me it is as easy as understanding the omniscience of God. To say that we must experience something or at least have the capabilities of experiencing something in order to understand it may be true of us, because we don’t know all and are limited in our understanding. But surely you don’t believe that applies to God? For if it does, He’s not all-knowing now is He? Stand in His grace, WOS |
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2 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193138 | ||
You know what ... hold a moment on my previous post. I have a different question for you. Jesus is God. Jesus is omniscient as God. And Jesus is the same yesterday, today, and forever. Right? Turn to Matthew 24:36. This chapter in matthew is speaking of the second coming of christ. In this particular verse the statement is made that no one knows when the son will return. "Not the angels, nor even the son, but the Father only". Tell me .. how can God keep knowledge away from himself? How can God not know something?? Jesus is God, right?? Jesusman |
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3 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Wild Olive Shoot | 193140 | ||
Yes Jesus was God incarnate, and as God, He knew. As a man, He did not. I think maybe we need to start another thread concerning the natures of Christ, because that seems to be what you are questioning, or am I wrong? Stand in His grace, WOS |
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4 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193141 | ||
The point of this is the same point that I have been trying to make this whole time. That while on earth, Jesus was not at his full glory .. his full power .. whatever you define it. Paul says so in Philippians 2. If Jesus could not know something, and still be God, then what else was limited about Jesus while he was here? | ||||||
5 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Wild Olive Shoot | 193144 | ||
What if the purpose of the tempting was to in fact prove that He was the Son of God and truly incapable of giving in? “No attempt to set forth the doctrine of His wondrous and peerless person would be complete, without considering this blessed perfection. Sad indeed is it to behold the widespread ignorance thereon today, and sadder still to hear and read this precious truth denied. The last Adam differed from the first Adam in His impeccability. Christ was not only able to overcome temptation, but He was unable to be overcome by it. Necessarily so, for He was "the Almighty" (Rev. 1:8). True, Christ was man, but He was the God-man, and as such, absolute Master and Lord of all things. Being Master of all things—as His dominion over the winds and waves, diseases and death, clearly demonstrated—it was impossible that anything should master Him.” – A. W. Pink “Because He was not susceptible to any change, it was impossible for the incarnate Son of God to sin. Herein we behold again His uniqueness. Sinless angels fell, sinless Adam fell: they were but creatures, and creaturehood and mutability are, really, correlative terms. But was not the manhood of Christ created? Yes, but it was never placed on probation, it never had a separate existence. From the very first moment of its conception in the virgin's womb, the humanity of Christ was taken into union with His Deity; and therefore could not sin.” – A. W. Pink http://home.att.net/sovereigngrace/impeccability.html Note:(Insert a tilde directly before the s in sovereigngrace) Very interesting article if you follow the link. “It is irreverent speculation to discuss what the human nature of Christ might have done if it had been alone.” A. W. Pink I would think that is an appropriate response since it was never. Stand in His grace, WOS |
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6 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193151 | ||
The Bible teaches that Jesus was tempted in every manner as we were. How can he be tempted if he couldn't succumb to temptation? That is something I cannot simply shove off to the side and ignore. If Jesus could not in some form give into temptation, then there was no temptation. And if there was no temptation, then Hebrew 4:15 is a pure lie. Jesusman |
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7 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | CDBJ | 193154 | ||
Well Jesusman if you are finding the Bible to be full of"lies" whay do you keep reading it? CDBJ |
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8 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | Jesusman | 193155 | ||
I can either ignore this or answer it. Reguardless of how insulting the question is, I will answer it. I do not find "lies" with in the Bible. If you had honestly read the comments I made instead of jumping to conclusions, you would have realized that. There is an apparent contradiction with in this topic, and so far, I'm the only one who seems to see it. Now since there aren't any contradictions, there is something wrong with either my view point or with the counter claim. Thus far, the only person who has even attempted to make a valid argument is Wild Olive. Now .. if you seem to be "confused" about this topic so far, I will lay it out. Was Jesus capable of succumbing to temptation? The argument I lay out is that he could. Jesus was not at his full glory and majesty while on earth. Paul tells us this in Phillipians. As I have said, time and time again, in order for this to be a genuine temptation, there had to be risk of giving it. If Jesus was incapable of giving in, then there was no risk. No risk, means there was no temptation. No temptation means that Hebrews 4 is wrong. Hence .. the Contradiction I am seeing, which should not be. The counter claim is that Jesus is God, and God cannot sin, and that his omniscience means he understands temptation. I agree fully. However, the Bible also teaches that Jesus was tempted in every manner as we are tempted, yet remained "without sin". Now, CDBJ, The argument at it's base form has been laid out. If you have any .. "constructive" .. and "appropriate" questions to ask, please ask. If you intend to be a jerk again and ask insulting questions like the one you did, then keep your comments to yours. Thank you, Jesusman |
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9 | What was the point of the temptation ? | Matt 4:1 | azurelaw | 193160 | ||
Dear Jesusman, Greetings to you, brother. I have to admit in my opinion, you have asked a good, but heavy question. Hope the dicussion would not fall into the tempter's hands to be argumentative, but instead we are blessed by God to learn more and be edified. In reading the interesting dicussion, I have attempted to make a search on the subject and found an aritcle in the below site which I think should be helpful for us to understand the issue. Hope you would take some time to visit. Shalom Azure http://www.apostolic.net/biblicalstudies/temptationofchrist.htm |
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