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1 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | Ed O. | 239544 | ||
Hi Doc, thank you for your reply. Yes, I agree that Pentecost was a one time occurrence. In Acts 8:12,Phillip preached the gospel, the people believed it and got saved and should have received the Holy Spirit because of their belief. They also were water baptized. However; a few verses down v16 states that these people haven't received the Holy Spirit until Peter and John came down from Jerusalem, laid hands on them and prayed that they received the Holy Spirit which they apparently did because Simon saw or heard something to make him want to buy that power.To my way of thinking because Peter and John traveled all the way from Jerusalem it must have been pretty important. This was also a one time occurrence, however I take it to mean that it should be done to every believer. What do you say? In Christ Ed O. . | ||||||
2 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | DocTrinsograce | 239554 | ||
Hi, Ed... It is still building something normative entirely from narrative. Consequently I do not find it persuasive. What the apostles did is very interesting, but the foundation of our faith is on what they taught (Ephesians 2:20). Even Peter tells us that his experience only served to affirm the "more sure" word of the Scriptures (2 Peter 1:17-19). Sir, I do not wish to disturb the teachings that you hold; nor do I want to debate them (which would be contrary to the wishes of our gracious host, the Lockman Foundation, as spelled out in the Terms of Use). Simultaneously, I am encouraged when people look to the Scriptures, rather than feelings or experiences, to build belief. Consequently -- and this with every intention for your good and God's glory -- I encourage you to build up your doctrinal foundations from didactic passages. That will then illuminate the narrative. You could end up with the same conclusions; but getting there the right way is just as important. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | Ed O. | 239555 | ||
Hi Doc. Please forgive me and I humbly apologize if I had irritated you in any way and I'm sorry that you had pre-judged me as being a pentecostal from your previous post ( Gordon Fee being a pentecostal too) What caught my eye when I first came onto this forum was your statement about the baptism in the Holy Spirit was not a second blessing. I wanted to learn more as to how you come to that conclusion. Could it be true or false since there's two schools of thought about that subject? Just like Edb said in a prior post people don't want to talk about it. Why? Because some associate the speaking in tongues with it. In Acts 1:8, did Jesus tell His apostles to wait in Jerusalem to be baptized with the Holy Spirit so that they can speak in tongues? NO! So that they can receive power to witness about Him. Evidence of that power, Peter filled with the Holy Sprit preached and 3,000 people got saved Acts 2:41. What I get out of Acts 8:17, is, when Peter and John (who were already baptized with that power) and prayed for the new believers, that power by faith was then transmitted unto them by the laying of the apostles hands. In 2Tim 1:6-7, Pauls speaks, "For this reason I remind you to fan into flames the gift of God, which is in you through the laying on of my hands. v7 For God did not give us a spirit of timidity, but a spirit of power, of love and self-discipline. Heb 6:1-2, Paul states,"Therefore let us leave the elementary teachings about Christ ----v2 instructions about baptisms, (plural) the laying on the hands ---" It appears to me from these Scriptures that the baptism is transmitted by faith by those who are filled with the Holy Spirit by the laying of hands. Could it then be a second blessing of power which we need for witnessing? Please, I'm asking not debating. Ed O. |
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4 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | DocTrinsograce | 239556 | ||
Hi, Ed... No feelings on my part. Text is our topic of study and it is text with which we interact. I read a study which revealed that the majority of the time people read emotion in text that was not present in the writer. I try to avoid all that by writing what mean and meaning what I write. After all, if I am to be judged for a careless word, how much more so a careful word (Matthew 12:36-37). I do not think that people are afraid to discuss these things. For example, Benny Hinn and Creflo Dollar are not timid about it; nor have people like Hank Hanegraaff and John MacArthur. Indeed, from Montanus in the early church, through the enthusiasts in the Reformation, all the way to the ecstaticism of our own day, it is something that continues to receive a lot of attention. Furthermore, I agree with your thinking that the Holy Spirit is essential to the spread of the gospel. He is also the restrainer of evil (2 Thessalonians 2:13); the instructor in righteousness (John 14:26), wisdom (Ephesians 1:17), love (Colossians 2:2-3), and knowledge (John 16:13); the convictor of sin (John 16:8); the regenerator of souls (John 3:6-8); the sanctifier of the redeemed (Ephesians 3:14-16); the persuader (Titus 3:5-6); the unifier of the church (Ephesians 4:1-6); illuminator of the Word (1 Corinthians 2:14-15; John 14:26; 1 John 2:27); etc. I like what Martin Luther once wrote, "I marvel at those who so boast in the Spirit, but show forth so little of it." Scripture adjures us to careful judgment (John 7:24; 2 Corinthians 13:5; James 5:9). Nonetheless, we are not asked to compare ourselves with people. Instead, what we are given are evidences, since the inner reality cannot help but be manifested externally. As you pointed out, an evidence of the Holy Spirit is pointing others to Christ. In terms of character, we have that wonderful list of evidentiary fruit of the Spirit (Galatians 5:22-25). Thus, when we see hatred, anger, divisiveness, rebellion, pugnacity, defensiveness, carelessness, self-righteousness, unkindness, abrasiveness, or gruffness, we can be certain that that person is not filled with the Holy Spirit. What is happening inside will always express itself outside (Luke 6:43-44). So we don't have to look for the razzle dazzle if the character is lacking. Maybe the razzle dazzle will be there, I cannot say, but it certainly will not be a manifestation of the Holy Spirit when the fruit is lacking. Thank you for the discussion! May God bless you as you seek to know Him through His self-revelation of the Word. In Him, Doc |
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5 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | lionheart | 239561 | ||
Doc, Prayer and careful study of the Scriptures are the best way to deal with issues such as these. Emotions not guided by God's Holy Spirit can be real killers, a hard lesson learned by me over the years. Thanks for being one of those who have brought me back to earth when I have so much needed it. In Him, lionheart |
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6 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | DocTrinsograce | 239571 | ||
Hi, lionheart... Thank you for the encouragement! I often recall my hermeneutics professor thundering, "Think then feel! ... THINK! THEN feel!" Jeremiah 17:9 sure tells us why getting it the other way around is so deadly! In Him, Doc |
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7 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | lionheart | 239572 | ||
Doc, No brag just fact brother. In Him lionheart |
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