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1 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | DocTrinsograce | 239541 | ||
Hi, Ed O... As you know, there are many narratives in the Scriptures. However, just because something happens in narrative certainly does not mean that that thing is normative for everyone. None of us would try to be healed by dipping seven times in the Jordon, or make a shortcut by walking on water, or go fishing in order to pay our taxes, etc. Narrative does not serve that purpose. If Pentecost was normative for all Christians, what does that make of Christ's specific references to it? More problematic than that is Peter's explanation of it as the fulfillment of Joel's prophecy. Etc. If you would like to read a good discussion of the question, with sound admonitions on proper exegesis of Scripture, and, by the way, a Pentecostal elder to boot, I would highly recommend Gordon D. Fee's book "How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth." You can get it from Amazon for under ten bucks. By the way, if we are numbering blessings, I would prefer (1) election, (2) predestination, (3) gospel call, (4) inward call, (5) regeneration, (6) conversion, (7) justification, (8) sanctification, and (9) glorification. And, yes, every one of the redeemed does and will seek those. But better yet, they are promised! Talk about blessings! In Him, Doc |
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2 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | EdB | 239543 | ||
Let me add the recommended book "How to Read the Bible for All its Worth is an excellent book. And while Fee does demand proper exegesis nothing he teaches negates the manifestation of the Holy Spirit in the Book of Acts or in today's church. | ||||||
3 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | DocTrinsograce | 239553 | ||
Hi, Ed... Arriving at the right conclusion for the wrong reasons is probably almost worse than arriving at the wrong conclusion. This is what I appreciate about Fee. He is, indeed, decidedly AOG -- his stuff on church polity, for example, carefully and thoughtfully does not depart from his denominational roots. Which thing, by the way, certainly makes sense: his ordination would depend on it. For what its worth, he is finest of exegetes with whom I am aware. I have learned a great deal from Gordon Fee on rightly interpreting our sole source of revealed truth: the Word of God. I wish that every believer would read his books on the subject. More than that, I wish that his time tested principles of interpretation were applied. Goodness, if half of them were applied there were would be a tenth as much nonsense out there. I bought a case of Fee's "How to" books, to give to friends and family. By the way, his "New Testament Exegesis: A Handbook for Students and Pastors" now in its third edition, is also a book no serious student of the bible should be without. In Him, Doc PS Just so everyone knows: "How to Read the Bible for All Its Worth" By Gordon D. Fee and Douglas Stuart Format: Paperback Number of Pages: 288 Publisher: Zondervan Publication Date: 2003 ISBN: 0310246040 ISBN-13: 9780310246046 UPC: 025986246044 |
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4 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | EdB | 239558 | ||
I'm don't think Fee reached his conclusions on the manifestations of the Holy Spirit because his ordination depended on it. But rather by using those same excellent and time tested principals he details in his book they lead him to those conclusions. And while many have read his book not all have yet learned to open themselves to the truth found in scripture. I do agree if Fee's principals were more often applied much of the nonsense presently found in the church would simply not exist. |
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5 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | DocTrinsograce | 239570 | ||
Hi, Ed... No, I did not speak to the means by which Fee arrived at his position on church plurality. I have no idea. To my understanding ordinations are not granted for those holding positions deviant from the body doing and sustaining the ordination. If that practice is not the case in the AOG, you would no better than I. My intention was to be complimentary of Fee for being consistent with his denomination. At least, I see it as virtuous. Regarding those who read his book but have not "learned to open themselves to the truth found in scripture" (sic): Let us pray for them, that God will do that work in them through the Word. As Gordon Fee wrote elsewhere, the goal of our bible study is not heads filled with knowledge, but changed lives through the work of the Spirit through the Word of God. In Him, Doc |
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6 | Baptized by Holy Spirit? | Matt 3:11 | EdB | 239574 | ||
While I agree we don't know how Fee came to his conclusions, I do agree we must not allow denominational doctrine to blind us to the truth of scripture. My intention was to be complimentary of Fee for being consistent with his understanding of scripture and I that is a virtue. Yes by all means I agree we all should be in prayer for those that read scripture and apply a twisted or misunderstanding to the truth scripture contains. |
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