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1 | JESUS CHRIST | Matt 13:55 | Ngop | 79735 | ||
jlpangilinan, Matt 1:25 and Gen 4:1 ... quite a revelation to me. Thanks Ngop |
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2 | JESUS CHRIST | Matt 13:55 | Ray | 80019 | ||
Hi Ngop, jlpangilinan's point is well taken. However, I believe that the previous verses are the better ones for comparison/contrast. Matthew 1:24, "And Joseph arose from his sleep, and did as the angel of the Lord/ commanded him, and took her as his wife,..." Genesis 4:1, "...and she said, "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the Lord./"" May I add a third contrast for your consideration and meditation? John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that He/ gave..." From the heart, Ray |
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3 | JESUS CHRIST | Matt 13:55 | Ngop | 80072 | ||
Ray, Greetings in Christ. I did not get much of what you mean. Can you please elaborate. The revelation I was referring to was the answer to the doubt I had before regarding the kinship of Jesus with the so called "brothers". God Bless Ngop |
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4 | JESUS CHRIST | Matt 13:55 | Ray | 80128 | ||
Hi Ngop, Your interest was with the "brothers" and Matthew 13, but your comparison of revelation was with Matthew 1 so that is where the confusion is. What I think the Scriptures show us is that life is a gift from God. Eve recognized that and said "I have gotten a manchild with the help of the Lord/" Joseph realized that the Lord could even have a virgin give birth, Matthew 1:23,24. John, the gospel writer, realized that God gave His unique Son that believers in Him might have eternal life. 1) I think that the desire to deny that Jesus had any brothers and sisters is the desire to set Jesus apart from other people. Indeed, that is a desire of mine also as I talk about the Man versus the man, the Light of the world versus our being lights of the world, etc. That is why I think of Jesus as the Son of Mary rather than the son of Mary; why I think of Him as the Child rather than a child. a) If we think of Him as the Son of God, I see no reason why any church should be concerned with Mary having sons and daughters with her husband. 2) The problem lies in that many do not and did not see Him as the Son of God. The Matthew 13 reference pointed out that fact. Verse 56, "'And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this man [sic] get all these things?' And they took offense at Him/." Slash mine for comparisons. They took offense at Him [sic]. They would not have taken offense at him [sic] if he were just a man. But Jesus claimed to be a Prophet. 3) I go with the NKJ here for Matthew 13:55, "Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works?" 4) I find it interesting that the Greek for verse 54 concerns His "fatherland". In the NKJ it is translated His own "country", in the NASB His "hometown". I do not agree with the translators that they speak of His coming to His fatherland and yet go on and ask "Is this not the carpenter's son?" Where is the consistency in that? I know Him as the Son of Joseph and the Son of Mary, and the Son of Abraham, as well as the Son of David. Can you praise the Lord with me? Matthew 13:56, "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this *Man get all these things?' And they took offense at Him/." John 3:18, "[The one] who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten *Son of God./" From the heart, Ray |
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5 | Matthew 1 :20-24 | Matt 13:55 | Ngop | 80223 | ||
Ray, Greetings in Christ. Thanks for the sharing. I appreciate it. But being in the topic, maybe you can also share with me your view about Joseph sleeping with a woman whom he knew gave birth to the Son of God. Take note that there was no doubt in Joseph's mind that Mary's first "Son" is God ( Matt. 1:20-24 ) This issue was actually what confused me. It sounds sacrilegious to me. Your brother in Christ Ngop |
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6 | Matthew 1 :20-24 | Matt 13:55 | Ray | 80249 | ||
Hi Ngop, Your question is good and I think that we can find an answer for it in the Scriptures, even the passages before us in this thread. The mystery of how Jesus can be fully man [Man] and fully God is key to this discussion, I believe. Mary was pregnant and she bore a Son. But she had help from God for He gave His only begotten Son. That which is begotten in her is of the Holy Spirit. I have already said that I look at Jesus as the Son of Mary and the Son of Joseph, and I agree with Matthew 2:8, NASB, that after His birth Herod searched for the Child [sic]. But may I lead you to compare some of the occurances of "child" in the Matthew 1 passage. I said above that Mary was "pregnant" and that is one reason that I had no problem with the lower case "with child" of Matthew 1:18 and 23. Another occurance of that "child" or "that which has been begotten" is in verse 20. Matthew 1:20, NKJ, "..."Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit." As I say, the mystery of how Jesus can be a child, in the likeness of men, is key to this verse. Mary was with child, but God gave us His Son. Matthew 1:23, "'Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and shall bear a Son, and they shall call His name **Immanuel,' which translated means, 'God with us.'" Matthew 13:55, NKJ, "...Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas? And **His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?" God with us is this Man with us. 1) I would suggest that Jesus is the carpenter's Son, that Mary was with child, and that the angel of the Lord told him to receive Mary as his wife and not to be made to stumble at Him. From the heart, Ray |
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