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1 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | EdB | 105852 | ||
Levitical law was given in the book of Leviticus, expanded upon by the leaders of Judaism and evolved into the teachings of the Orthodox Judaism today. Non Levitical laws were in existence prior to the book of Leviticus and some were developed or taught even prior to Abraham. In any case the dietary laws were given to the Children of Israel to separate them from others around them. Gentiles while adopted into the family have no requirement to keep those laws again a fact clearly seen in Acts 15. Along with the Levitical dietary laws were given social or behavioral laws. If you insist that the dietary laws still stand then why not all of those? Things like circumcision, beards, tassels, blended fabrics and things clearly defined in the Bible but ones that never seem to attract the attention of dietary law keepers. How do you differentiate between the two since they are written side by side in the Leviticus? EdB |
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2 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | Kwigger | 105870 | ||
Ed, Cicumcision was given in Genesis to Abraham and his seed as an everlasting covenant. If "everlasting" is somehow over in your view, please explain. Paul, in his letter to the Galatians, underscores the fact that if we are Christ's we are Abraham's seed. Again, if you hold that Paul cannot be taken at his word, please explain. The circumcision covenant was given prior to the birth of Levi's GRANDFATHER, so it is assuredly not a Levitical law. It is still to be done. And please don't beat up on poor Titus. The Scripture never says he was not circumcised; it says he was not compelled to be circumcised. This is the same basic controversy we see in Acts 15. "And certain menwhich came down from Judaea taught the bretheren, and sai, Except ye be circumcised after the manner of Moses, YE CANNOT BE SAVED." (Emphasis added) As for the other matters you list, I am not sure why Christians want to use me as a standard when Messiah is a perfect one, but if it makes you feel better, I wear a full beard and fringes. I also try to avoid plant/animal blends in the fabrics we wear. But don't worry, I still have plenty of hypocrisy to root out of my life. In a previous post you asked what my point was in pointing out that 3/4 of the decrees made by the Jerusalem council were dietary. Well the point is the inconsistency of the standard Christian argument against Kosher eating. If Acts 15 is your behavioral standard, then how is YOUR meat bled? How do you know that the porkchops you enjoy are not from a strangled hog or first offered to idols. "Do we make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea we establish the law." (Romans 3:30) Let me assure you. Ed that I have been right where you are. Please allow me to make a comparison to which I think you will be able to relate. Have you seen these creationist guys who give presentations all over the country? There's Kent Hovind, Ken Hamm, John Morris and probably many more whose names I don't know. They have a two-fold mission. They fortify the resolve of those who agree with them and challenge those who do not to take a critical look at the very popular false doctrine (macroevolution) they embrace. It is hard for the evolutionists to turn a critical eye on their own religion. There is a great deal of sentimental attachment and they have learned to be quite confortable in their beliefs. You or I look at these people and think, "But they claim science is their standard! Don't they see that what they believe is utterly perpendicular to REAL SCIENCE!" In their defence, evolution is widely believed, pervasively taught and seldom questioned in their circles. We both know that doesn't make it right. "Disobedience Doctrine" is exactly the same way! In fact, anti-Semetic and anti-Torah sentiments were a mainstay of Churchianity centuries before Darwinism, but that still doesn't mean it's right. Christians carry preconceived notions just like evolutionists and they cling to them just as tenaciously. My prayer is that Christians will turn a critical eye on themselves and return to their professed standard (Scripture) just as they would have the evolutionists self-examine and return to their standard (science). Where is Asken during all this? Are you getting any of this? Grace and peace my friends, Kwigger |
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3 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | EdB | 105873 | ||
Kwigger You ask, "Are you getting any of this?" I answer no I have been set free of the Law. The Law couldn't save only Jesus could. The fact you have placed yourself back under the law beard and tassels tells me you don't think grace is enough. You are required to keep also the law for your salvation. As for your comments on anti-Semitism your right many well meaning but totally incorrect teachings have developed placing blame on the Jews for Jesus’ death. Most of these came for the reformation era by men that were politically inclined attempting to develop theology to fit their purpose. However I hold strongly to my appreciation of Judaism and feel Jewish worship quite probably be the mainstay worship in heaven. However once again I place my trust in grace not my ability to keep the Law. As for your little side trip on evolution that would probably be best served in another thread don’t you think? EdB |
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4 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | Kwigger | 105883 | ||
Two words, Ed: "Reasonable service." "Open my eyes, that I may behold Wonderful things from Your law. I am a stranger in the earth; Do not hide Your commandments from me. My soul is crushed with longing After Your ordinances at all times. You rebuke the arrogant, the cursed, Who wander from Your commandments. Take away reproach and contempt from me, For I observe Your testimonies. Even though princes sit and talk against me, Your servant meditates on Your statutes. Your testimonies also are my delight; They are my counselors. Daleth." (Psalm119:18-24) If this is bondage, LOCK ME UP! I have also made it very clear that obedience for salvation is a dead end street. What was it that James said about faith and works? You need to read my last post more carefully. I was not discussing evolution; I was comparing the attitudes of evolutionists to the common attitude of many mainstream Christians. Neither is willing to submit to the authority of the standard in which the claim to believe. Grace and peace, Kwigger |
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5 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | EdB | 105887 | ||
Nothing is more pleasurable than serving the Lord in perfection and if we were able to do I would join you. But as Peter said so very eloquently Acts 15:10-11 Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear? [11] But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved in the same manner as they." That all I have to say on this subject. EdB |
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6 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | justme | 105889 | ||
EdB: while looking at this dialogue I noticed that ASKEN started this with his question, but never responded to any note, and from Dec 5th ASKEN has not returned. I think I have seen this several times before. Blessings Ed. justme |
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