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1 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | Kwigger | 105926 | ||
Warning! Danger Will Robinson! Classic blunder alert! Colossae is in GREECE! The previous post contains grievious errors! The people surrounding the Church at Colossae who would have been standing in judgement of the new believers would have been the family and peers of pork-eating GREEKS. Greek unbelievers pressuring Greek believers! Paul was warning the Messianic believers there not to succumb to the pressure they would feel from those around them, Greeks not JEWS! This passage means the EXACT opposite of what Churchians normally assert. Before you dismiss this interpretation out of hand, try reading it again while setting aside your own preconceptions. Paul compares Colossae with Laodicea which was know for its lukewarmness and apathy, not its excessive Jewishness. Also, Where Acts 15 is concerned, where are the Christians who are making sure meat is properly bled and not strangled? They say this is all we need to do yet they don't even do this pared down list of commands. I'd really love an answer to this! Grace and peace, Kwigger |
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2 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | Morant61 | 105944 | ||
Greetings Kwigger! There are several problems with your proposed interpretation of Col. 2:16. First of all, the judgement referred to in v. 16 is on the basis of what they DID eat, not what they would not eat. Secondly, the passage is thoroughly Jewish in context, not Greek. And, v. 17 makes it clear that v. 16 does not mean 'keep on observing these things in spite of the pressure', since Paul refers to them as 'shadows of the things that were to come', the things that are now found in Christ. p.s. - Welcome to the forum! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | Kwigger | 105959 | ||
Tim, Good morning. You make an excellent point that underscores my own. The Kosher diet and in fact all of Torah emphasizes what TO DO. It was the Rabbinic type religious establishment of Y'shua's and Paul's time(s) that made Torah into (apparently) a big mess of "YOU BETTER NOTs." Your interpretation of 17 is popular but based wholly on the preconception that Christians don't need to do all that "Jewish stuff." This verse simply says the sabbath , moons and diet are reminders of things to come and Messiah is the priority is Messiah. Be well, Kwigger |
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4 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | Morant61 | 105975 | ||
Greetings Kwigger! I underscored your point! Here I thought I was disagreeing with your point! :-) Now, concerning v. 17, what does it actually say? 'Shadow' or 'skia' is also used in regards to the Law in Heb. 10:1. V. 9 makes is very clear that the requirements of the Law have been 'set aside'. We are now under a new covenant. So, my interpretation of Col. 2:17 is fully consistent with how the word 'shadow' is used in regards to the Law. The believers at Colosee were being judged by the judaizers for not keeping the requirements of the Law, and Paul made it very clear that they did not have to keep them. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | Kwigger | 105982 | ||
Tim, You seem like a bright and patient guy. I came to Torah observance because one concise question to Christians could never be answered. The question is this: What is the scriptural behavioral standard for Christians? The answer I have received again and again is "Not that OT stuff!" Okay, it also isn't the fortunes I read on Bazooka Joe comics, but that doesn't address the question, does it? What IS? ""Well Jesus is." Okay, so when you say Jesus you mean the guy who kept the Torah perfectly and who I'm told to emulate? That Jesus? "Yeah, that's him." Okay, now we're getting somewhere! So I should live according to Torah like he did. "No-o-o, not that OT stuff." WHAT?! And around and around it goes. Maybe Paul was full of crap. According to you all he made a liar out of God and built the most influencial and lawless religion on earth in the process. Maybe this God is bogus too. He seems dreadfully inconsistant for a being that is alledged to be all powerful and all knowing. Please understand that I don't really believe anything I've written in this paragraph, but you gotta understand that a whole lotta folks are looking for Jesus and abandon the search because they see these inconsistencies. I don't know why Paul wrote some of the things he wrote. I simply do not know. But isn't it infinitely wiser to live a life of orderly obedience then to seek to justify our actions by finding NT proof texts to nullify our duties? The fact remains that Christians as a rule have a prejudice against things "Jewish." They also have a knack for justifying what they want to do. Take Christmas for example. It's pagan as hell, but to here Churchians talk you'd think it was a biblical Feast. "Jesus is the reason for the season?" Jesus has nothing to do with this abomination! Here's another one: Jesus commanded us to commemorate his death, so what do Christians do? They commemorate his birth and resurrection. To add insult to injury, the micro-holiday they use to observe his death (good friday) is 2 nights and a day before the celebration of his resurrection despite the fact that he himself said he'd be in the ground 3 days and 3 nights. It sounds like a good many Christian don't even have the right Jesus. Here's one thing you can take to the bank: If I am wrong it is because I MADE MISTAKES. I won't hide behind some denomination in hopes that blame might be shared at the judgement. The truth is too important and the biblical warning is too clear for me to follow the traditions of men. Christianity has wide-spread, pervasive, systemic problems. Christ doesn't. Chritianity does. It is all too easy to see when others need to change, but some of the fault is our own. I'm done. |
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6 | Unclean food for the Christian? | Lev 1:1 | Morant61 | 105998 | ||
Greetings Kwigger! Thanks for the response my friend! My question for you would be this: When I quoted all of these NT verses, which denomination was I hiding behind? :-) As for the rest, you have the makings of many threads, so maybe we should address them individually! :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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