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1 | God's Forgiveness of Sin | Mic 7:19 | Reformer Joe | 30473 | ||
Eagle: Length forgiven, but it was not a very well-thought out article. Why? Because the argument over whether there are differing rewards in heaven is completely different from the argument of whether one who continues in a state of unrepentance is truly saved in the first place. This article jumbles these two arguments up and presents no Scriptural support that individuals can "accept Jesus" as their Savior and continue to reject Him as Lord. Incidentally, while that view is certainly held by Ryrie and Hodges (ugh!) as well as many on the Dallas Theological Seminary faculty (which published "The Bible Knowledge Commentary"), it is a view that Barnhouse soundly rejected and John MacArthur refutes in many excellent books. I think it would have been nice to connect the endnotes you list here to actual things being said, because many of the folks here actually disagree with what is in the article itself. Lastly, the thing that disturbs me about this antinomian view the most is that by necessity it must ignore the clear-as-crystal teachings of our Savior on the fact that there are some who claim to be saved but aren't. There are those who will be saying "Lord, Lord" and Jesus will be telling them to go away. There are tares among the wheat, goats among the sheep, unprofitable "servants" that will be cast into the outer darkness with much weeping and gnashing of teeth. WHile we are not saved by works, divorcing the earthly, progressive sanctification of the believer from his true justification is completely and totally unbiblical. --Joe! |
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2 | God's Forgiveness of Sin | Mic 7:19 | Eagle One | 30537 | ||
Greetings to you Reformer Joe, If I’m understanding you correctly, your stance agrees with the “perseverance or ultimate triumph of the saints view”. Once again, if I understand it correctly, according to this view all genuine believers persevere and overcome the world by living godly and obedient lives. Overcoming is equivalent to faithfulness or obedience, which proves the genuineness of salvation. Is it true that MacArthur’s interpretation adheres to what has come to be called the “Reformed Doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints”, Which states that all true believers will persevere in a life of godly obedience. They admit that there may be temporary setbacks and bouts with sin, but that ultimately, true believers live victorious, holy lives to the end. Or do you hold to the Loss of salvation view? According to this interpretation, the promises are predicated on overcoming. To fail to overcome is to lose salvation. Do you disagree that the loss of salvation view contradicts the belief that believers are kept secure by the finished work of Christ? Jesus said, “and I give eternal life to them, and they shall never perish; and no one shall snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand” (John 10:28-29), they “shall not come into judgment” (John 5:24), and “have already passed from death into life” (John 5:24). “For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast” (Ephesians 2:8-9). I agree that there are people who say they are believers but they have never truly given their hearts to the Lord. This person might believe that Jesus is savior but never has and never will want Jesus to be his Lord. Obviously, these phonies fill the pews of mainline churches all over the world. They are the people you have in view when you say, "divorcing the earthly, progressive sanctification of the believer from his true justification". I understood this forum to be an exchange of views and insight based on personal study of the scripture and the information obtained from respected scholarship, rather than an opportunity to unjustly criticize a brother in the Lord. In Him, Eagle One |
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3 | God's Forgiveness of Sin | Mic 7:19 | kalos | 30543 | ||
You ask: "Is it true that MacArthur’s interpretation adheres to what has come to be called the “Reformed Doctrine of the Perseverance of the Saints”? Dr. John MacArthur generally avoids labeling what he believes in regard to the Bible doctrine of Election. Instead, he normally limits himself to stating what he believes about Election and leaves the labels to others. Eagle One, thank you for posting the article "Who are the Overcomers?" by Wallace. I found it extremely interesting. It presented a point of view on the subject that I had never considered and never before heard explained that well. It has given me plenty of food for thought. I would like to read more. Could you tell us either the exact link to that particular article? If not, could you provide the link to the website from which it came and tell us what link on the homepage you have to click to find the article. It is refreshing (only a few Forumites do this consistently) to see a teaching so thoroughly defined and defended with relevant Scriptures presented, as well. Grace to you, kalos |
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4 | God's Forgiveness of Sin | Mic 7:19 | Eagle One | 30549 | ||
Greetings to you Kalos, The web page is www.bible.org/index.htm Under the heading, "Bible Studies Area" click on "Search Studies Area". In the search studies area, insert the word overcomers. That will take you to a series of studies on Revelation. I found the information I needed in Number (1) I shortened it considerably but I still needed to break it up into four installments, as you noticed. I would welcome your views about this study. I appreciated the tone of your post. I would like to make a clarifying comment re. the closing sentance in my post. I've never been guilty of having a thin skin when it comes to dealing with people in the world. But when a brother forces me to absorb harshness, I get a little disappointed. When I decided to share this article I did so knowing that not all readers would agree. However, I believe that Christian brothers should strive to treat each other with civility. I submit that there are limitless degrees of biblical understanding and experience among us. Some of the posts I've read reflect strong scholarship. However, not all of us have a strong working knowledge of Greek and Hebrew. I certainly don't. I rely on the scholarship of others while primarily depending on the Holy Spirit to keep me alert regarding truth. Reading the scriptures and depending on the Lord to give me right understanding is a joy for me. I write all of the above in an effort to make myself transparent to the members of this fellowship. I look forward to hearing from you Brother Kalos. In Him, Eagle One |
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