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1 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | EdB | 107150 | ||
proffitt_79 Let me also address another issue I forgot in my first post. Jesus was a man of peace but people have this confused with a man that went with the flow. Jesus clearly stood His ground when He drove the merchants from the temple. That was anything but peaceful. Also notice that Rome was the occupation army of Israel at the time yet Jesus never mentioned anything about this. He never made a political statement of any sort short of saying render unto Caesar what is Caesars and to God what is God's. When Jesus talked of peace he was talking about people that oppose your religion. He was saying if a man (opposed you religiously) you were to turn the other cheek. (note words in parenthesis are mine). Once again Jesus never once criticized the soldiers nor did he preach against their profession. Paul clearly tells us to honor our government and to obey those over us. Romans 13:1 Let every soul be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and the authorities that exist are appointed by God. Titus 3:1 Remind them to be subject to rulers and authorities, to obey, to be ready for every good work, Romans 13:7 Render therefore to all their due: taxes to whom taxes are due, customs to whom customs, fear to whom fear, honor to whom honor. If we believe that then we must believe that the president we have in office right now is ordained of God for such a time as this. Our duty is not to second guess him but rather to keep him bathed in prayer. If our conscience leads us next Nov to vote for another man let us pray it will be for a man that at least has or excels Bush’s standards and morals. We all have already seen Clinton a man devoid of any morals be elected because he brought money to our pockets, I pray this country never stoops that low ever again. |
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2 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | Just Read Mark | 107164 | ||
Christian Protest. Hi EdB. I am surprised by the conclusion you draw -- that we are to do nothing other than pray for our elected leaders. We have a democratic systems (in my country, Canada, as well as most participants in the forum) which require participation beyond election time. The great thing about Democracy is it forces accountability on our leaders, and enables citizens to shape the direction of their country. Of course, we don't see democracy in the Bible ;-) but it is a good and faithful system. We need to pray, certainly. But also engage the process. Protest is a very important part of political debate. |
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3 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | EdB | 107178 | ||
I think I did mention Nov 7 that is the date we vote. No I don't think protest is an important part in political debate. It is only needed when character is absent. Unfortunately protest has been allowed to influence reason in many cases and thus has been thrust into the spotlight as an acceptable method of change. Thus we see laws forced down our throats, like homosexual rights, same sex marriages, abortion. Notice also those that used protest to bring in abortion quickly got laws passed that made protesting against abortion illegal. Protesting is not democracy but rather the manipulation of it to gain the end desire When character is present logic, truth and a sense of fair play makes protest unneeded and useless. When discussion and reason is present special interests as well as the majority are equally served. EdB |
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4 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | kalos | 107197 | ||
Maybe protesting is not democracy, but it is democracies, not dictatorships, that tolerate it. I certainly would not want to live under a government that suppresses dissent and protest. Laws are most often forced down the throats of people who live under governments that use violence, intimidation and imprisonment to silence dissidents and protesters. Because pro-abortionists have misused protest to push their murderous agenda does not necessarily mean that protest can never be used in a good cause or that in itself it is somehow wrong. On the other hand, I know of no biblical precedent for Christians marching in the streets to protest the actions or policies of their government. Anti-government protest is not what the first-century church was about. I'm not saying Christians should or should not protest. What I am saying is 1) in a democracy people have the right to protest; and 2) I see no biblical precedent for Christians participating in protests. Peace, kalos |
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5 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | EdB | 107205 | ||
Kalos In that sense I will agree. Protest is a right, but I wonder if being God fearing, using reason and following sound logic doesn't serve democracy better. EdB |
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6 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | kalos | 107212 | ||
Ed: It may be better to be "God fearing, using reason and following sound logic". However, our country did not gain its independence from England by the use of reason and logic. Slavery in the USA was not effectively abolished because the Union's lawyers were smarter than those of the Confederacy. The Nazi regime was not overthrown by an appeal to Hitler's sense of fair play or the use of persuasive argument. --kalos |
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7 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | EdB | 107214 | ||
Kalos Ah! I did use the term "character" also. When Character is missing inequality reigns and other means must be used to restore wisdom. Secondly don't tell me you have fallen for the revisionist rewrite of history. The Civil war was not fought over slavery. It was fought over "states rights" (which were lost by the way). Abraham Lincoln himself said do not mistakenly assume this war is being fought over slavery. EdB |
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8 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | Just Read Mark | 107221 | ||
The civil rights movement, with Mr. King, is a perfect example of the Gospel and political protest working together for good. |
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9 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | EdB | 107224 | ||
Was it? While it accomplished much is what has been accomplished God's highest and best? Has the problems been solved or has it been disguised and made more pervasive? Have the results been perfect? Would the changes we have seen taken place and even more if Christians had lived life as instructed, Do unto others as you would have them do unto you? Did it awaken social conscience or did it make the situation so visible we could no longer ignore it? Has racial discrimination been dealt with or has laws been made that merely silence them? I know many ethics that live with racial prejudices everyday they are not as visible as being made to sit in the back of the bus but they are just as real. EdB |
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10 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | Just Read Mark | 107226 | ||
I agree with you--- what is really required is Christ's transformation of every conscience. But let us also remember how many Christians thrwarted equality. The protests served to spark debates around many kitchen tables, I am sure. No justice system will shape people's hearts, but it does help limit the damage. As Christians, I believe we need to be vocal about the issues of our day. May justice roll like a might river. |
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11 | Christ and war | Is 9:6 | EdB | 107227 | ||
And to that point I also agree. EdB |
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