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1 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | bronx hulk | 93041 | ||
Hey Curtman, You bring up some very good points. Let me see if I can explain myself. Keep in mind that I do not by any means say that God is unjust for my position on this. God created the heavens and the earth in Gen 1. It was good. The tree of knowledge was not planted until Gen 2. So everything He created in Gen 1 WAS good. I do understand what you mean by saying it was our choice to become evil. But I also believe that God had an eternal plan from the beginning and knew all of this was going to happen. I believe He needed evil as part of His plan to carry it out. That is my belief, but I wouldn't teach that as doctrine because then I'd be saying that I understand God's eternal plan completely. Just as you have a hard time believing God wanted destruction to come to this world, I have a hard time believing that He didn't plan it this way. He knows everything. Now, if that is not the case, I can also look at it like this: God created everything that exists. Wheather He intended all of this to happen or not, it did. And in a roundabout way, He created it. And God, being the gentleman that He is, took responsibility for it. Did you see my post about God creating Lucifer? I think I have explained myself as best as I can. Everyone that has given me their understandings and scriptures still does not convince me that I am looking at this the wrong way. All the scriptures that were given does not solidly contest God creating evil. I would have to see something that is cut and dry. Justice as you mentioned seems wrong, in this context. But that's only if you are thinking in terms of man's justice. God's justice is beyond our judgement. How many times did God command the Israelites to destroy cities, man women and children? That seems unjust in our eyes to destroy children, but not in God's eyes. If you read all the posts on this carefully, you might find that no one has given me anything solid. Only theory on what they believe God's nature is and how He works. Have you read my belief on His plan on post #92214 in the last couple of paragraphs? Be blessed, Sal |
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2 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | TheCurtMan | 93057 | ||
Sal. If after tossing this question around no one has given you a solid scripture to indicate, at least in your mind, that God did not create evil. Then like everyone else, all I can offer you is my own personal beliefs. I make serious attempts to try to understand the other’s perspective on any given issue. I think that I understand yours. Col. 1:16 indicates that God created everything. He did create Lucifer, He created the Tree of Knowledge, the serpent in the garden, then there’s that verse over in Isa. 45 that you can’t seem to get around. All in all I think I see your point. I admire the fact that you’re standing firm on your beliefs, I’ve seen too many Christians who didn’t know what they believed, and ended up following every doctrine under the sun. You know what you believe and without solid evidence, you maintain your belief inspite of everything said. I disagree with your beliefs, but I admire your stance on the matter. This question I have to ask for the record. Have you tried praying on this matter? According to the first nine chapters of Proverbs, Wisdom is looking for you, seek her and ye shall find her. And what about your Spiritual Teacher, have you consulted with Him on this thing. Take a good look at 1 Cor. 2:9-16. The knowledge that the Holy Spirit has for you on this matter comes with the wisdom to understand it. No one on this forum can explain it to you to your understanding like the Holy Spirit can. Now if you don’t mind me picking on your post, there are two small points I’d like to make. The first one is, according to Gen. 2:1-2, everything that God was going to create, was created in chapter 1, which means that the Tree of Knowledge was called good along with the rest of creation at the end of chp. 1. The second point I’d like to make is something that I know you’ve heard before. I do not believe that God needed evil to accomplish His will, I can’t see the All-Sufficient God needing anything. I believe He used evil to His good. Take a look at Romans 8:28. I’m presently doing a study on Joseph. If there is anyone that I think would be a perfect example of Romans 8:28, Joseph would be the one. Hated by his brothers; sold into slavery; accused of a crime he didn’t commit. In my opinion, one of the best parts of the story is how a man, committed of a crime that was punishable by death, was pulled out of jail and placed second in charge over all of Egypt. AND THE MAN WAS A HEBREW. Are you familiar with the culture of that day? Now if that isn’t the perfect example of God using evil to His glorification and to Joseph’s elevation, then I don’t know what is. Just out of curiosity, where did Joseph acquire the Administrative Skills to run Egypt?? ALL THINGS work together for the good of those who love Him. God used evil, He didn’t need evil. The CurtMan |
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3 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | bronx hulk | 93124 | ||
Thanks Curtman. You have alot of wisdom and have explained yourself well in understanding my viewpoint. As a matter of fact, last night, I was looking over scripture after scripture on this. Funny you should bring up the tree and when it was planted. I pondered the possibility it was planted in Gen 1. However, I don't know for sure. I still haven't received anything definate yet. Genesis does flip flop back and forth alot. I also prayed last night about this asking God to show me if I am wrong. Because as a teacher, I do not ever want to be wrong on a matter of the Word of God. I do not want to give the wrong impression here. I know I probably sound forceful, but I am not saying I am 100 percent right on this matter. I do agree with you that God doesn't NEED evil. And that He used it. Emmaus showed my error in using "NEED". Poor choice of words on my part. I'm still praying and searching. I also saw how Radioman and Tim Moran described how sin is not created, it just is a result of the opposite of good. I also agree 100 percent with that. I think we can all see each others side of the coin now. At this point, it's come down to taking a stand on one of the sides, as we all have (Rom 14:5). I'm hung up on one point, which is, the difference between sin and evil, if there is one. I've come to the conclusion that sin and evil are two different things, but overlap each other. Example: I sin and get drunk. I was not being evil. I delibrately scheme and undermine things to tempt my brother into getting drunk. That was evil. When I look at Is 45:7, I do not read that God created sin. (That much, I can agree with everyone. Sin is definately a result of our choice to disobey the law of God.) I read that as God created Lucifer and allowed him to become evil. The thing that keeps me on my stand is that God could have destroyed Lucifer from the beginning, but chose not to. The way I understand it is Lucifer was cast down before the creation of man. I could be wrong here. If God knowing Lucifer would be evil, why didn't He destroy him then? I feel that He was planning on using Lucifer for His good purpose from the very beginning. Brother, you are right there with me in understanding me. And you are right to say too many Christians are following every other doctrine out there. "If you fall for anything, you will stand for nothing"! I just thank God that this topic does not bear anything on salvation. If it did, someone would be in trouble. All that in mind, this has been a very good study topic. To search the scriptures, humbly and deeply proves we all are trying our best for God (2 Tim 2:15). Oh, and by the way, you might not have intended this, but that scripture you listed (col 1:16), rooted me deeper in my stand on this topic. When it says principalities and powers, what was it referring to? Are they the same principalities and powers listed in Eph 6:12? I think so. Thanks for studying this with me. I have learned alot from this one, even if I haven't been persuaded by the masses :-) Your brother, Sal |
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4 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | TheCurtMan | 93430 | ||
Brother Sal, Too many questions at one time confuses The CurtMan. It puts me in too many different arenas at the same time. However; there were two that tends to stand out in my book; Lucifer and I Cor. 16. Dealing with I Cor. 16. Someone sent you a post on this topic currently under discussion, saying something along the lines, of the things that God created were of matter; of substance. I’m afraid I’m about to mess up someone’s post so allow me to switch tracks and try it from a different perspective. There are some who believe that Wisdom was created. This can not be because if it was true, then at some point and time God would have been without wisdom since He has always exsisted. Wisdom was not created but yet it exsist. My question to you is could Evil fall in the same boat, meaning that it was not created but does exist?? Could there be anything else that might fall into the same category meaning that it wasn’t created but does exit. If you take a good look at Col. 1:16 as well as John 1:3 they specifically say that all THINGS were created by Him. What that says to me is that every matter and substance, rather in Heaven or on Earth; rather visible or invisible. Every MATTER and SUBSTANCE owes it’s origin to Christ the Sustainer; but I think the key word in this case is THINGS. As far as Lucifer is concerned, I personally believe that the whole thing involves a choice. Salvation; Obedience; Life itself. Everything involves a choice. Lucifer didn’t have to make the choice he did, neither did Adam and Eve. By the way, who forced you to except Christ?? God knew that Lucifer was going to become a rual pain, and I’m exceedingly glade that He perpared for such a thing. God could have stoped Lucifer, He could’ve stoped WWI, He could’ve stoped WWII, He could’ve even stopped 911, but He didn’t. And how do you know that even if God DID stoped Lucifer, that some other angel wouldn’t have come up with the same idea. Lucifer convienced a third of God’s angels to go up against God, how do you know that if God stoped Lucifer, some other angel wouldn’t have come up with the same bright idea of kicking God out of His Heaven. Sorry about that, TRYING to kick God out of His Heaven?? The CurtMan |
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5 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | Christian24 | 93435 | ||
God did not create evil. Evil is here because of satan being kicked out of heaven. The world was perfect, Yes perfect! Satan was not made evil, he became evil. He became boastful, and full of himself. And once God kicked him out, (as a spirit) his spirit went into the body of a asp, which we all know was what tempted EVE in the garden. Adam and Eve did not know evil. Satan is evil so when he was cast out of heaven, his evil/tempting ways followed him. | ||||||
6 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | TheCurtMan | 93598 | ||
I didn't know that the snake that tempted Eve was an Asp. How did you come by that one?? Also, judging from your comment, do you think that it'll be fair to say that evil, in this case was the result of bad decisions?? |
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7 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | Christian24 | 93611 | ||
CurtMan the asp in genesis is the same as the asp in job 20:14 and job 20:16, you asked a question that you didn't know eve was tempted by a snake and what is an asp, the asp has venom. And lives in a hole. Get a commentary or a dictionary to help you out. And yes to add when reading Gen. we find out that satan was already present, but by eating the fruit, that was the kindlet that let evil out to man. Adam and eve knew nothing of evil. They knew nothing of sin, they didn't know that they where naked. So yes it is that descion to eat, that led to sin in "MAN". any further question... please ask. |
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8 | Who created evil? | Gen 3:1 | TheCurtMan | 93720 | ||
When you're right, you're right. The class on snakeology I never took seriously, as a matter of fact, I never took it at all. I didn't know that Asp and Cobras where of the same family. Thanks for the enlightenment. | ||||||