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1 | Would Adam and Eve have fallen? | Gen 3:13 | Brian.g | 186963 | ||
Vincent There are two ways to look at this question. First: as you asked it - would Adam and Eve have fallen if the devil never entered the garden Second: Did Adam and Eve have the power or ability to reject sin - whether the devil was present or not. The devil does not have ultimate power or control over mankind. Man has to participate and make the final decision as to whether or not to sin. Gen 4:7 If you do well, you can hold up your head; but if not, sin is a demon lurking at the door: his urge is toward you, yet you can be his master." Mt 4:3-10 ...At this, Jesus said to him, "Get away, Satan ... In the first example, God tells us we have the ability to reject Satan.. In the second example, Jesus the man, rejects the temptations of the devil. In both cases, God is telling and showing us, we have the intellect and strength to reject sin, if we desire to. Actually, the third way to look at this question would be: would Adam and Eve used their intellect to question God's command, in the first place - and if so, could they have come to the conclusion or opinion (because this would be an act of the intellect or reason), that God was wrong. Well, I think we see enough actions in this world where people have come to the conclusion that they are more capable of making a proper decision about things than God is and I don't think Satan can take credit for all of those acts, I think sometimes man can do it, all by himself. When man reasons with his intellect that his decision is more right than God's, it is a sign of man's lack of faith and lack of trust in God and Jesus. Mark 11:22 Jesus said to them in reply, "Have faith in God. Brian |
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2 | Would Adam and Eve have fallen? | Gen 3:13 | DocTrinsograce | 187009 | ||
Dear Brian, Pre-fallen man, did, indeed, have the freedom (i.e., unfettered, un-predisposed will) to choose to obey. However, it was not a simple matter of human intellect. We know that Eve was deceived (1 Timothy 2:13-14). When the fundamental premises in a syllogism are false, no matter how proper the logic, the outcome cannot be dependable. Furthermore, we know from the account in Genesis 3:6 that the three broad categories of sin (lust of the flesh, lust of the eyes, and the pride of life (1 John 2:16)) were all contributing factors. A far more difficult question is why Adam, and Satan before him, voluntarily chose sin. How can a will that is right -- as their wills were originally created in them -- become perverted to sin while it is still right? This is a mystery, and I am not fully persuaded that theologians -- regardless of their predispositional camp -- have adequately settled it. (I was reading R. L. Dabney on the topic this afternoon, but I am not sufficiently acquainted with some of the philosophical language to fully grasp what he has to say on the topic.) However, I do understand basic causality. Consequently, I can assert that Scripture holds the formal cause of the fall to be Satan's influence, while the material cause was the disobedience of our First Parents. Satan originated sin, not man, because of his original rebellion (see Ezekiel 28:11-19; Jude 6a; 1 John 3:8; etc.). In Him, Doc |
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3 | Would Adam and Eve have fallen? | Gen 3:13 | ebrain | 187038 | ||
Hi Doc. An excellent post, I find myself in complete and total agreement with the wise sentiments you express, in fact it would be churlish of me not to say so. Bless you brother. In Him.. Edwin. (ebrain) |
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