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NASB | Genesis 3:13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent deceived me, and I ate." |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Genesis 3:13 Then the LORD God said to the woman, "What is this that you have done?" And the woman said, "The serpent beguiled and deceived me, and I ate [from the forbidden tree]." [2 Cor 11:3; 1 Tim 2:14] |
Subject: Would Adam and Eve have fallen? |
Bible Note: ebrain, I find extreme difficulty with both your assumptions and your assertions made in post 186915 and continuation post 186916. I will not attempt to address every single point, just a couple of main points. You write: “I am interested to find out if others can arrive, or have arrived at the same conclusion.” Is it your belief that God has revealed a “conclusion” regarding the creation of man and the fall of man that is different from that commonly understood and believed by the Church for all the centuries? I ask in this way because you continue by suggesting that the reader “avoid human commentaries” and “rely solely on ‘divine’ commentary” and then set forth your own “commentary”. Very concerning because you really tell a story that seems far different than the one I see laid down in Scripture. This is not so hard a task for you or any other, it is a simple matter of picking and choosing verses to support your argument. Of course one would want those saints of God who have gone before you to be avoided, as they clearly include and address the whole of Scripture as it applies, rightly dividing the word of truth, teaching the word of God and not a new, individually arrived at “conclusion”. “The bible is the best commentary on the bible” is without a doubt the truth; but picking and choosing to support a position is the worst type of commentary. Forgive me for being so direct, I just have had about enough of this type of thing going on. Finally, you outright make the argument that Adam “saved his bride”. You do this in part by misquoting Scripture, a most dangerous and unacceptable thing. You wrote: “Did Adam go to the tree to obtain the fruit as She did, no he went to her and took the fruit from her…” Where do find that in Scripture????????????? Gen 3:6-7 (ESV) …she took of its fruit and ate, and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate… Clearly different from your statement that Adam “went to her and took it from her”. And you assert that he did what he did not do in order to “save his bride” which he did not and had no capacity to do… Acts 4:11-12 (ESV) “This Jesus is the stone that was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the cornerstone. 12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved." My friend, Adam in no way was a hero in taking Eve’s sin upon himself as you say. Quite the contrary, and as the Scriptures clearly teach, he was guilty of committing his very own sin reckoned it to all of mankind. This is where you are missing the point. When the Scriptures teach Adam as a “type” of “the one who was to come” (Romans 5:14) referring to Christ; it is not referring to Adam being a type of savior. Rather, as the first man his failure, his sin, was reckoned (imputed) to all mankind. Hardly a hero wouldn’t you agree. And he was a type of Christ how? In the same way that through him, the first man, sin was imputed to all mankind; through the one man Christ, atonement was made. Let me finally say that I find it interesting and somehow deceptive that if pabrain and stbrain are one and the same, pabrain would offer a post "in complete, and total agreement with what "stbrain" had to say". Very concerning, the entirety of both of your posts here. I have exceeded the amount of time and Forum space I had intended to use on this response so I will end here. Hopefully others will address your posts as well. God bless, Jeff |