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1 | Evil already occured? | Gen 2:9 | EMD | 9223 | ||
Satan had allready sinned against God.The tree of the knowledge of good and evil means that man and woman had a choice to make.Either they could obey God and live a life free from sin due to obediance,or they could learn the results of sin like Satan did by not obeying God and eating from the tree.The tree didn't have special brain awakening powers are anything.It was just a test of obediance. |
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2 | Don't be deceived | Gen 2:9 | Racan | 85662 | ||
Dear EMD Can you provide any evidence from the Scriptures that the fall of Satan had already taken place on Day 6. There is a difference between POTENTIALITY and ACTUALITY. At this point in time Evil was a potential that would soon be realised, it was not yet an actuality. Proof: God cannot lie (Titus 1:2) and after He had caused the tree of knowledge to grow alongside the tree of life He looked at everything He had made "and, behold, it was very good." (Genesis 1:31) In 1 Corinthians 4:6 the Apostle Paul gives us a very valuable principle "that ye might learn ... not to think above that which is written." Be BLESSED |
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3 | Don't be deceived | Gen 2:9 | Scribe | 85676 | ||
In my opinion, this verse prooves to me that Satan was perfect in Eden, and then fell. Ezekiel 28:13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Ezekiel 28:14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Ezekiel 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. There are those that say that this Eden was not the garden but some other heavenly Eden. And so they reconcile this verse with the idea of a past rebellion before the garden of Eden. Maybe that is so, but I do not read of any such Eden in the scripture, so it is just speculation. Unless someone has hints of it in the scripture somewhere that I have never seen. Untill I hear of a heavenly Eden in the scriptures I have to take it as a reference to the Garden of Eden and a Divinely inspired prophecy concerning satan in that garden before he fell. This would put his fall in the garden and also explain the reference to the mount of God. We do not really know that Eden was near the current Tigris and Euphrates junction before entering into the Persian Gulf. That never made sense to me. The river flowed out of the Garden and parted into four. We keep hearing that the Garde was somewhere in Iraq where the Euphrates and Tigris join. That is oposite the facts. The River flowed out of the Garden and divided into four, not joined into one. So the garden must have been somewhere further North or west from Iraq and the Tigris and Euphrates joining again is inconsequential. Unless we are saying that the river flowed from the gulf norhtward, and that is not that way it works is it? So what am I getting at? It is possible the Jewish tradition that that Adam was formed in the same area of the temple mount is true. It is possible that Jerusalem is the location of the garden of eden, in which case this reference to satan wanting to ascend the sides of the north coincides with the antichrist standing in the holy place in the end times. Something to think about. We often repeat what we were taught (Satan fell eons before the garden in some ancient rebellion) without ever investigating where the teaching comes from. Then when we do we do not find any supporting scriptures except for the garden story. Then we have a choice, keep spouting the party line, or ask the Lord to give us faith and boldness to speak only what the word says and nothing more. And even then we must always allow room for more light not being dogmatic about things that are not clear in scripture. Despite what the "reformers" might say, there are many truths in the scriptures that have not been fully explored and one of the reason is that many are afraid to depart from any preconcieved interpretations even when they feel the check in their spirit that there are not any scriptures to back such an interpretation, or they begin to see a more clear picture than the ancient medieval church and yet they are afraid to add anything to it, being taught that all doctrines have been exhausted and there is nothing new to add. May God Bless You in you Study of His Word. |
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4 | Don't be deceived | Gen 2:9 | Racan | 85878 | ||
Dear Scribe, I agree with your insights into Ezekiel 28, and regarding the fall of Satan believe we have evidence to conclude the following: (1) It did not occur until after the woman had been created. (2) Furthermore, we can conclude that it did not occur until after the 7th Day when God rested. The earliest possibility would be Day 8…. (3) It did, as you noted, occur within the garden of Eden, and the Scriptures on this point are quite specific. (4) The tree of knowledge was as instrumental in the fall of Satan as it was for our original ancestors. There’s a lot more that can be stated as well. Have you discovered when exactly the cherub known as "Lucifer" (since Jerome's Vulgate) was created? |
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5 | Don't be deceived | Gen 2:9 | Scribe | 85973 | ||
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. No I have not. Do you have a thought on it? Could it be the same day he created serpents? |
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6 | Don't be deceived | Gen 2:9 | Racan | 85987 | ||
Ezekiel 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the DAY that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. Job 38:4-7 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? Genesis 1:1-5 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were THE FIRST DAY. God could not have called it the first day if there were any days before it. All creatures need two distinct states of being to be in place before they can be expressed: TIME and SPACE. SPACE allows FORM, even angels have bodies (though not material like ours) for proof see Rev 21:17 Hope this helps. |
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