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1 | How do you substantiate your answere? | Gen 1:31 | Stultis the Fool | 127222 | ||
Angel, thank you for the reply! However, I find your reply to be riddled with opinions concerning the traditional origin of Satan which is a contestable subject and nowhere scripturally verifyable. Please read more on the subject before you definitively attribute such authority to Isaiah Chapter 14. I will answere your your questions: "You may choose to contest and to reject Scripture--you have that right given to you by God--but refusing to allow the Holy Spirit to enlighten you is not a wise and obedient act!" I agree with you. Now I will add that I am vexed to think that you believe my unacceptance of the traditional view that Isaiah chapter 14 refers to Satan somehow makes me disobedient to God. Thank you for pointing to the splinter in my eye! Now consider the mote in yours. "Proverbs tells us that there isn’t a good woman among a thousand--do you believe that?" YES "Jesus tells us that John is Elijah; yet John tells us that he is not, who do you believe?" JESUS "God tells us that in Him there is no sin/evil--do you believe God?" YES "Do you believe God to be petty and drunk on power?" NO "Well you must since you are convinced that He created evil: nothing escapes God’s power, for Him to create a nemesis it would be for the simple joy of the hunt!" You make an uninformed assumption. Have you read Job 1:8? "Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job?..." Have you read 1 Kings 22:19-23 "Micaiah said, "Therefore, hear the word of the LORD. I saw the LORD sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. The LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said this while another said that. Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' The LORD said to him, 'How?' And he said, 'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'YOU ARE TO ENTICE HIM AND ALSO PREVAIL.' Go and do so.' Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you." "Again, we must be careful how we read Scripture… we simply cannot grab something and indiscriminately run with it stating all sorts of twisted half truths" I agree. "Show me in Scripture where it is stated that God created evil and that God created Satan!" ISAIAH 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." "Sometimes a serpent is just a serpent… have you thought of the possibility that Job 23:13 is merely speaking of the slithering snakes/serpents?" Yes, but I do not believe that to be the case. "As far as Ecclesiastes (a pessimistic view of life devoid of hope) 7:13, have you considered a crooked road, tree, branch, river, island, mountain, precipice, spinal column?" Look up the word "crooked" in a KJV concordance and see for yourself how many times it is used to describe wickedness. I will add more scripture to the long list I have already given you: Exodus 32:10-14 "Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation. Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation. And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." Thank you for your concluding words of encouragement. However, I must dontinue to disagree with you because of what the scripture says, as well as your lack of presentation of substantial information. What you present is assumptive and based most specifically on inference, while the scriptures I read and quote are specific, demonstrative, and quite contrary to what you advocate. To conclude, and to avoid the knee-jerking that seems to precipitate based on assumptions of my beliefs, I feel it neccesary to make this disclaimer: I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD IS EVIL. |
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2 | How do you substantiate your answere? | Gen 1:31 | JCrichton | 127385 | ||
“I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD IS EVIL.” Hi, Stultis! Part 1 of 3 Thank you for your clarification! I want to apologize for my energetic post… as you clearly noted, I had been put off… I did start to believe that you were setting up a preamble to an old doctrine (good and evil)… Again, I cannot convict of the Truth--not a single human being will ever be able to do this! Whoever claims to have such power is an agent of the anti-Christ (as such an anti-Christ him/herself). It is only the Holy Spirit, the Third Person of God, that can convict us of the Truth! The Bible is the Word of God. But we cannot even being to fathom the simplest of Scripture without the Holy Spirits revelation! When we seek to know God using our own limited means (human reason and wisdom) we short way short of the mark! This is not to say that we must become theologians in order to understand Scripture… I am simply stating fact. The Word of God is God’s revelation to us--if we remove God from the equation we end up with mud: we allow Satan to pull us into that black hole known as pride and ego! We spin our mind’s wheels seeking to convince the world of our perceived wisdom that can render God’s Mysteries disclosed to our keen abilities; Adam and Eve taste some of that wisdom! But if instead we humbly ask the Holy Spirit for assistance, since He is all-knowing and all-loving, He can guide us to the fullness of the Truth! You have several arguments… you request that all response be substantiated by Scripture… I have attempted to do just that… the problem is that you seem to subscribe to a teaching that allows you to divorce Scripture passages from the rest of the Bible and that allows you to dictate limitations on what Scripture speaks on… From that reasoning some have devised that Jesus is not God… a couple of particular Scripture passages, if interpreted only through their methodology--which to me is quite similar to yours--would actively render Christ a little more than a man: ‘But as for that day or hour, nobody knows it, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son; no one but the Father. (Mark 13:32) Jesus said, ‘Foxes have holes and the birds of the air have nests, but the Son of man has nowhere to lay his head.’ (Matthew 8:20) If stripped of all other Scripture content, these two passages (Mark 13:32 and Matthew 8:20) do suggest that Jesus Christ is not God: He calls Himself the Son of man and He testifies that there is something that not even the Son knows about… Since God is Spirit and not a man and since God is Omniscient there seems to be credence to anyone who holds the belief that Christ Jesus is not God… The problem is that Scripture is not devoid of other Scripture; rather, Scripture supports Scripture! When the above passages are scrutinized against other passages the conclusion is that those seemingly straightforward face value interpretation were flawed! In John 16:28 Jesus states that He came from the Father--God is Spirit, as so is Jesus who came from Him. Further, it is revealed, through the angel Gabriel, that Mary will conceive Jesus, the Emmanuel, by the Power of the Holy Spirit and not by mere human copulation! So, clearly, Jesus’ declaration of being the Son of man has a deeper meaning than simply: Jesus is human! In John 16:29-30 we find Jesus’ disciples witnessing that He is all-knowing and their profession of faith that they believe that He comes from God!--these revelations, as well as Peter’s in Matthew 16:16-17, came by the Grace of the Holy Spirit! Further confirmation of Jesus’ Omniscience is found in John 17:10: All I have is yours and all you have is mine, and in them I am glorified. It is not that the Word became incarnate and devoid of Divinity… the truth is that Jesus never stopped being God; He simply did not retain His Authority in His total submission to the Father in order to fulfill His function as the Lamb of God (Philippians 2:5-8; John 17:5;): I still have many things to say to you but they would be too much for you to bear now. However, when the Spirit of truth comes he will lead you to the complete truth, since he will not be speaking of his own accord, but will say only what he has been told; and he will reveal to you the things to come. He will glorify me, since all he reveals to you will be taken from what is mine. Everything the Father has is mine; that is why I said: all he reveals to you will be taken from what is mine. (John 16:12-15) |
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