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1 | god create evil | Gen 1:31 | DocTrinsograce | 158477 | ||
Dear Brother Tim, You wrote, "I understand that both sides cannot be right!" That's an encouragement. If we lose logic, we pretty much lose everything else. :-) You wrote, "I would not be so rude as to attribute your error to sin!" Then you have a much more elevated view of error than do I. If it eases the social requirements of cordiality any, does it help if I admit that my own error is due to sin? 1 Corinthians 13:12 assures me that in glory I will not know everything, but the effect of sin on my understanding will be eliminated. [You know, it would be interesting to discuss this question of cordiality some time. Even the apostles wrote some pretty rude things about named individuals!] You wrote, "The debate should be based upon Scripture, not upon 'claims' about why someone believes the way that they do." I thought that is what I said in response to your original post? You wrote, "Even if you do not agree, you should at least allow that an Arminian can be intellectually and Scripturally honest in his beliefs." Dear brother Tim, you bring up two very different things! I do, indeed, allow that you, and perhaps others, can be intellectually and Scripturally "honest in your beliefs." However, I also allow that human beings often believe what they believe for moral rather than logical or Scriptural reasons. It occurs to me that you must mistakenly think that when we say something like "all error is rooted in sin," that we mean "you have sin in your life so you are cursed with error." That is not what is meant. Let me see if I can rephrase: Human thinking has been adversely effected by the fall. In addition, the fall has adversely effected the capacity for human intellectual attainment. Furthermore, the human heart is desperately wicked. Scripture tells us that many choices in belief do not stem from logic or observation, but are rooted in morality (Romans 1 explains this very well). Consequently, dear friend, do not feel personally put upon! The statements were not directed to you personally, but to the consequences of sin in general. In Him, Doc |
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2 | god create evil | Gen 1:31 | Morant61 | 158478 | ||
Greetings Doc! You wrote: "I do, indeed, allow that you, and perhaps others, can be intellectually and Scripturally "honest in your beliefs." However, I also allow that human beings often believe what they believe for moral rather than logical or Scriptural reasons." Fair enough, but that was not what your original quote from Dr. Sproul said. :-) I was simply concerned that we are not permitted to discuss the issues, but we can post quotes that demean the other side without the opportunity for defense. ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | god create evil | Gen 1:31 | Hank | 158480 | ||
Greetings, Brother Tim! You wrote: "I was simply concerned that we are not permitted to discuss the issues, but we can post quotes that demean the other side without opportunity for defense." ..... Tim, I most assuredly share your concern! To engage in posting a string of quotes by known Calvinists (or Arminians, for that matter) for the sake of making a point for either side, whether Calvinism or Arminianism, without allowing for the viewpoints of the other, is not, to my mind, a fair and balanced treatment of the issue on this Forum and is, in fact, tantamount to the promotion of denominational bias. ...... I am in no way trying to start a religious debate or war, but I am asking that this practice cease before one breaks out! --Hank | ||||||