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1 | How do you substantiate your answere? | Gen 1:31 | Stultis the Fool | 127222 | ||
Angel, thank you for the reply! However, I find your reply to be riddled with opinions concerning the traditional origin of Satan which is a contestable subject and nowhere scripturally verifyable. Please read more on the subject before you definitively attribute such authority to Isaiah Chapter 14. I will answere your your questions: "You may choose to contest and to reject Scripture--you have that right given to you by God--but refusing to allow the Holy Spirit to enlighten you is not a wise and obedient act!" I agree with you. Now I will add that I am vexed to think that you believe my unacceptance of the traditional view that Isaiah chapter 14 refers to Satan somehow makes me disobedient to God. Thank you for pointing to the splinter in my eye! Now consider the mote in yours. "Proverbs tells us that there isn’t a good woman among a thousand--do you believe that?" YES "Jesus tells us that John is Elijah; yet John tells us that he is not, who do you believe?" JESUS "God tells us that in Him there is no sin/evil--do you believe God?" YES "Do you believe God to be petty and drunk on power?" NO "Well you must since you are convinced that He created evil: nothing escapes God’s power, for Him to create a nemesis it would be for the simple joy of the hunt!" You make an uninformed assumption. Have you read Job 1:8? "Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job?..." Have you read 1 Kings 22:19-23 "Micaiah said, "Therefore, hear the word of the LORD. I saw the LORD sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. The LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said this while another said that. Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' The LORD said to him, 'How?' And he said, 'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'YOU ARE TO ENTICE HIM AND ALSO PREVAIL.' Go and do so.' Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you." "Again, we must be careful how we read Scripture… we simply cannot grab something and indiscriminately run with it stating all sorts of twisted half truths" I agree. "Show me in Scripture where it is stated that God created evil and that God created Satan!" ISAIAH 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." "Sometimes a serpent is just a serpent… have you thought of the possibility that Job 23:13 is merely speaking of the slithering snakes/serpents?" Yes, but I do not believe that to be the case. "As far as Ecclesiastes (a pessimistic view of life devoid of hope) 7:13, have you considered a crooked road, tree, branch, river, island, mountain, precipice, spinal column?" Look up the word "crooked" in a KJV concordance and see for yourself how many times it is used to describe wickedness. I will add more scripture to the long list I have already given you: Exodus 32:10-14 "Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation. Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation. And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." Thank you for your concluding words of encouragement. However, I must dontinue to disagree with you because of what the scripture says, as well as your lack of presentation of substantial information. What you present is assumptive and based most specifically on inference, while the scriptures I read and quote are specific, demonstrative, and quite contrary to what you advocate. To conclude, and to avoid the knee-jerking that seems to precipitate based on assumptions of my beliefs, I feel it neccesary to make this disclaimer: I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD IS EVIL. |
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2 | How do you substantiate your answere? | Gen 1:31 | JCrichton | 127387 | ||
Part 3 of 3 Isaiah 14:12-14 New King James Version (NKJV) Isaiah 14 The Fall of Lucifer 12 "How you are fallen from heaven, O Lucifer,(1) son of the morning! How you are cut down to the ground, You who weakened the nations! 13For you have said in your heart: "I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will also sit on the mount of the congregation On the farthest sides of the north; 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High.” Footnotes 14:12 Literally Day Star Isaiah 14:12-14 21st Century King James Version (KJ21) Isaiah 14 12 "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! How art thou cut down to the ground, who didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, ‘I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north. 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the Most High.” Isaiah 14:12-14 Darby Translation (DARBY) Isaiah 14 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, Lucifer, son of the morning! Thou art cut down to the ground, that didst prostrate the nations! 13 And thou that didst say in thy heart, I will ascend into the heavens, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God, and I will sit upon the mount of assembly, in the recesses of the north; 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds, I will be like the Most High: Please reference the Whole Bible and reason out who Lucifer is. But please do not be simplistic and ignore Scripture by saying that Lucifer is simply a man who wanted to be as God--unless you and your sources can prove that there’s some way that a man can overthrow God from His Throne in Heaven… and that that man was able to seduce a third of the angels to assist him on his assault on the Throne! “I agree with you. Now I will add that I am vexed to think that you believe my unacceptance of the traditional view that Isaiah chapter 14 refers to Satan somehow makes me disobedient to God. Thank you for pointing to the splinter in my eye! Now consider the mote in yours.” My statement is to the fact that you claim that God created evil… Satan being the foundation of sin/evil is, per your statement, just another one of God’s creations. This fact is what I am admonishing against! For you or anyone else to claim such fallacy as truth is to give the world license to commit itself to evil--after all God saw that creation was good and He rested! What you claim suggests that, by proxy, God condones wickedness (since, per your words, he created evil); please, do not reason with human wisdom and understanding… allow the Holy Spirit to guide you to the Truth! Do you see the error in your doctrine? How can a Being of Light create evil and be content at witnessing its creation? Please rethink your ideologies… There’s no darkness in the Light! “ISAIAH 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."” “And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people."” My friend, this is speaking on God’s Omnipotence… it does not mean that He places evil in the world or that He schemes like a lowly human to satisfy His thirst for vengeance and to exploit His creation once evil corrupts it! Please, ask the Holy Spirit for enlightenment! I will continue to pray that the Holy Spirit shine on all of God’s children so that the father of lies does not confound our hearts and minds with a counterfeit doctrine! God Bless! Angel |
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