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1 | How do you substantiate your answere? | Gen 1:31 | Stultis the Fool | 127222 | ||
Angel, thank you for the reply! However, I find your reply to be riddled with opinions concerning the traditional origin of Satan which is a contestable subject and nowhere scripturally verifyable. Please read more on the subject before you definitively attribute such authority to Isaiah Chapter 14. I will answere your your questions: "You may choose to contest and to reject Scripture--you have that right given to you by God--but refusing to allow the Holy Spirit to enlighten you is not a wise and obedient act!" I agree with you. Now I will add that I am vexed to think that you believe my unacceptance of the traditional view that Isaiah chapter 14 refers to Satan somehow makes me disobedient to God. Thank you for pointing to the splinter in my eye! Now consider the mote in yours. "Proverbs tells us that there isn’t a good woman among a thousand--do you believe that?" YES "Jesus tells us that John is Elijah; yet John tells us that he is not, who do you believe?" JESUS "God tells us that in Him there is no sin/evil--do you believe God?" YES "Do you believe God to be petty and drunk on power?" NO "Well you must since you are convinced that He created evil: nothing escapes God’s power, for Him to create a nemesis it would be for the simple joy of the hunt!" You make an uninformed assumption. Have you read Job 1:8? "Then the LORD said to Satan, "Have you considered my servant Job?..." Have you read 1 Kings 22:19-23 "Micaiah said, "Therefore, hear the word of the LORD. I saw the LORD sitting on His throne, and all the host of heaven standing by Him on His right and on His left. The LORD said, 'Who will entice Ahab to go up and fall at Ramoth-gilead?' And one said this while another said that. Then a spirit came forward and stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.' The LORD said to him, 'How?' And he said, 'I will go out and be a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all his prophets.' Then He said, 'YOU ARE TO ENTICE HIM AND ALSO PREVAIL.' Go and do so.' Now therefore, behold, the LORD has put a deceiving spirit in the mouth of all these your prophets; and the LORD has proclaimed disaster against you." "Again, we must be careful how we read Scripture… we simply cannot grab something and indiscriminately run with it stating all sorts of twisted half truths" I agree. "Show me in Scripture where it is stated that God created evil and that God created Satan!" ISAIAH 45:7 "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." "Sometimes a serpent is just a serpent… have you thought of the possibility that Job 23:13 is merely speaking of the slithering snakes/serpents?" Yes, but I do not believe that to be the case. "As far as Ecclesiastes (a pessimistic view of life devoid of hope) 7:13, have you considered a crooked road, tree, branch, river, island, mountain, precipice, spinal column?" Look up the word "crooked" in a KJV concordance and see for yourself how many times it is used to describe wickedness. I will add more scripture to the long list I have already given you: Exodus 32:10-14 "Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation. Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them, and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee a great nation. And Moses besought the LORD his God, and said, LORD, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people." Thank you for your concluding words of encouragement. However, I must dontinue to disagree with you because of what the scripture says, as well as your lack of presentation of substantial information. What you present is assumptive and based most specifically on inference, while the scriptures I read and quote are specific, demonstrative, and quite contrary to what you advocate. To conclude, and to avoid the knee-jerking that seems to precipitate based on assumptions of my beliefs, I feel it neccesary to make this disclaimer: I DO NOT BELIEVE GOD IS EVIL. |
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2 | How do you substantiate your answere? | Gen 1:31 | JCrichton | 127386 | ||
Part 2 of 3 It is evident from the preponderance of supporting Scripture that Jesus is God and, as God, Omniscient; but there are still those who do not want to accept the Truth and refuse to obey Scripture. They even have the tenacity to cite a few passages that, on the surface, seem to support their fallacy, while, simultaneously, they reject all Scripture that disproves their arguments! You asked me for substantiated Scripture, I offered it (Genesis 1:1-31)! Yet, you refuse to accept the Scripture’s passage that clearly states that God Created everything and “He saw it was good!” You go off on a tangent and characterize darkness as evil and, though not Scripturally stated, you affirm that that is its true nature… who’s kidding who? “However, I find your reply to be riddled with opinions concerning the traditional origin of Satan which is a contestable subject and nowhere scripturally verifyable. Please read more on the subject before you definitively attribute such authority to Isaiah Chapter 14.” You refuse to accept Scripture because it does not spell out (ad verbum) Lucifer is Satan: Isaiah 14:12-14 New American Standard Bible (NASB) 12 "How you have (1) fallen from heaven, O (2) star of the morning, son of the dawn! You have been cut down to the earth, You who have weakened the nations! 13 "But you said in your heart, 'I will (3) ascend to heaven; I will (4) raise my throne above the stars of God, And I will sit on the mount of assembly In the recesses of the north. 14 “I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; (5) I will make myself like the Most High.” Show cross-references Is 34:4; Luke 10:18; Rev 8:10; 9:1 2 Pet 1:19; Rev 2:28; 22:16 Ezek 28:2 Dan 5:22, 23; 8:10; 2 Thess 2:4 Is 47:8; 2 Thess 2:4 Isaiah 14:12-14 Amplified Bible (AMP) Isaiah 14 12How have you fallen from heaven, O (1) light-bringer and daystar, son of the morning! How you have been cut down to the ground, you who weakened and laid low the nations (O blasphemous, satanic king of Babylon!) 13And you said in your heart, I will ascend to heaven; I will exalt my throne above the stars of God; I will sit upon the mount of assembly in the uttermost north. 14I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will make myself like the Most High. Footnotes The Hebrew for this expression--"light-bringer" or "shining one"--is translated "Lucifer" in The Latin Vulgate, and is thus translated in the King James Version. But because of the association of that name with Satan, it is not now used in this and other translations. Some students feel that the application of the name Lucifer to Satan, in spite of the long and confident teaching to that effect, is erroneous. The application of the name to Satan has existed since the third century A.D., and is based on the supposition that Luke 10:18 is an explanation of Isa. 14:12, which many authorities believe is not true. "Lucifer," the light-bringer, is the Latin equivalent of the Greek word "Phosphoros," which is used as a title of Christ in II Pet. 1:19 and corresponds to the name "radiant and brilliant Morning Star" in Rev. 22:16, a name Jesus called Himself. This passage here in Isa. 14:13 clearly applies to the king of Babylon. Isaiah 14:12-14 King James Version (KJV) Isaiah 14 12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: 14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. |
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