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1 | Plants were created, and then stars? | Gen 1:14 | Parable | 46796 | ||
Your points are well taken. Dr. Ross founded "Reasons to Believe" and more about his ministry is available at www.reasons.org He takes great pains to explain the biblical basis for his views, and he would be the first to agree with you that we must not impose our preferences on the Bible and that Moses was indeed inspired by God. Yet also, I think he would suggest that we must not impose our prejudices on the Bible either. He examines the original language in light of the best OT scholarship and goes from there, leading us along a "straight forward" reading, as you suggest, a reading based on detailed study of the original words used. He does not take current science and mold Genesis to make it agree. Your assertion that his conclusions are unbiblical is ironic in that he concludes Genesis is accurate! If you're not willing to accept his argument, how do you answer the original question about how plants were created before the stars? Kudos to Dr. Ross for demonstrating that the Bible is accurate! |
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2 | Plants were created, and then stars? | Gen 1:14 | Lionstrong | 46810 | ||
Dear Parable, Actually, I made no statements about the Doctor’s conclusions. I don’t know what they are. I said “IF” one starts with unbiblical premises, one will logically end up with unbiblical conclusions. And what’s the problem with the plants and the stars? Now, I understand that plants need earth, water and light to grow, but are we forgetting that God created light on the first day? So there was light for the plants on the third day even if light was not localized in luminaries until the fourth day. The Bible is its own authority. To “demonstrate the accuracy” of God’s Word by some other supposed authority makes that authority superior to Scripture and thus it becomes the rule of our faith and practice rather than the Bible alone. I agree with what I think is your motivation, Parable, that we need to earnestly contend for the faith once delivered to the saints and to gently and respectfully give our neighbors a reason for the hope that is in us. But the Word of Christ does not need to be proved, as some people count proof. It needs to be explained, taught, understood, believed, preached and practiced to the glory of God. Peace, |
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3 | Plants were created, and then stars? | Gen 1:14 | Parable | 46864 | ||
My apologies if I put words in your mouth or twisted your meaning. The two statements you did make, "it sounds like the Dr. is simply imposing unbiblical premises on the Bible to make it conform to the current winds of scientific doctrine" and "if one starts with unbiblical premises, one will logically end up with unbiblical conclusions" logically imply Dr. Ross's conclusions are unbiblical. If this is not what you meant, please clarify. Also, I was not challenging your second premise, in fact I concur. But, I submit your first premise does not hold, therefore the inference about Dr. Ross' work does not follow. On your other point, showing the Bible to be accurate or otherwise consistent with our understanding of God's creation does NOT render the Word subordinate to anything. In fact, it does just the opposite. I grant that some may try to justify their unbelief in this way, but for Christians, this is not a problem, for they know Creation is God's most basic revelation of Himself to us, see Romans 1:20, we are called to "test everything", see 1 Thess 5:21, and to love God with all our heart, soul, strength and MIND, see Luke 10:27. The point is not that science proves the Bible, but rather that science, when done properly, as a means of looking at God's creation, cannot be contrary to the Word and in fact must agree. In the end, when all is known, we will see that there is no discrepancy between Creation and the Word, for such would imply a schism between what God does and what He says. Finally, I acknowledge the ultimate authority of the Word, yet I question your idea that the Bible alone is to be the rule of our faith and practice. The Bible itself tells us that the Holy Spirit is the agent of our faith and practice, see Luke 12:12, John 14:26, John 20:22. Perhaps the place we agree is seen in the old saying "Put your trust in the Lord, but always cut the cards!" That is, as a scientist, I am most skeptical of science in order that I can understand it and its fruit for what it is, a human attempt to see Creation. As a believer, I trust Christ completely because He is the Truth. Nothing science does can ever change that. |
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4 | Plants were created, and then stars? | Gen 1:14 | Morant61 | 46868 | ||
Greetings Parable! Thanks for your response to my post my friend! I decided to respond here, just to confuse you! :-) I am not anti-science in any way. In fact, when I was younger (before I was called into minsitry), I wanted to be an astrophysicist. So, I love knowledge. However, there is definitely a conflict between modern science and Scripture. I think the best reason for this conflict is found in one of your latest paragraphs. You wrote: "The point is not that science proves the Bible, but rather that science, when done properly, as a means of looking at God's creation, cannot be contrary to the Word and in fact must agree. In the end, when all is known, we will see that there is no discrepancy between Creation and the Word, for such would imply a schism between what God does and what He says." The problem is that science is not always done properly. And, science sometimes deals with issues that are beyond its scope - such as origins. So, we are forced to choose between what the Bible says and what science says - and many choose science over the Bible. Yet, science has been wrong many times before, and probably will be many times in the future. I heard someone joke the other day about the first Earth day. The warning then was that a new ice age was coming, now it is global warming. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Plants were created, and then stars? | Gen 1:14 | Parable | 46876 | ||
As they say, "if you're not confused, you haven't been paying attention!" You have described the problem accurately. I will add to your point with my view of science in general in my next post to this thread. |
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