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1 | question to smoke pot or not | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 54814 | ||
Marijuana should be classified as an herb likened to St. John's Wort or Kava. There are many herbs whos properties give a relaxing affect or restore energy. Valerian root is a great sleep aid and stress reducer. My opinion is that Marijuanna has a stigma attached to it. Everyone has seen the propaganda film REEFER MADNESS or watched too many Cheech and Chong movies. I suggest EVERYONE DO THEIR HOMEWORK BEFORE criticizing something they don't understand. God has given us the wonderful versaltile plant to use. The seeds contain omega 3 fatty acids, can be preesed for oil for food or used for fuel. The fibrous stalk was once used for rope in this country, you ever heard of HEMP? It's the same plant. The leaves and buds can be made into a tea, or yes smoked. It is better to eat it or drink it in a tea than to smoke. My own dad is able to have it medicinally for his back, as well as a close friend of my wife. This comes down to preference. I did not grow up having a stigma against Marijuanna. It was and still is a usefull plant. Socity needs to take there head out of sand and stop prohibitiion of marijuanna. It puts people in prison unjustly, due to mandatory minimums. A person who rapes or a child molester is doing less time than one who grew a plant for their own use. Another reason to legalize is to cut out the blackmarket, and all the criminals who make tons of money because it is illegal. If it were legal the government could grow it sell it and tax it... but as it stands they make more money with it being illegal also. Are we going to make wine, beer and other forms of alcohol illegal again also? History proves that it doesn't work, people who are told they can't have something want it all the more. I know of people who gre up in families where the meal was accompanied with wine. Everybody drank it even the kids. There was no abuse of it because it was not abused by people in the family, this is very much common in old world families. I have to end this discussion ....THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH CONTRAVERSARY and it divides rather than edifys..... So this is Jeshuafreak signing out of this discussion. DON"T BE PREJUDICE AGAINST YOUR BROTHERS FOOD, DRINK, OR ANYTHING ELSE THAT THEY PUT IN THEIR BODIES...THEIR BODY IS NOT YOURS...DON'T PUT A HEAVEY YOKE ON THEM. READ SONG OF SONGS...****WE MUST ALL GIVE AN ACCOUNT TO GOD FOR OURSELVES AND WHAT WE DID IN THIS LIFE....WHO ARE YOU O'MAN THAT YOU SHOULD JUDGE YOUR BROTHER....LET EACH MAN BE CONVINCED IN HIS OWN CONSCIENCE...YOU DON'T KNOW MY INTENTIONS AND I DON'T KNOW YOURS...ONLY GOD SEES THE INTENTIONS OF OUR HEARTS..... AND BY THE WAY I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT IT CAN BECOME IDOLATRY....ANYTHING CAN BECOME IDOLATRY... chocolate can become idolatry...if it becomes idolatry for you take it to Jesus He is the Author and Finisher of our faith. He make all things to work together for those who love God and are the called according to His purpose. Gosd will even use our sins and fumbles. He loves us warts and all. Oh how easy it is to get wrapped up in legalism. So much easier to make a list of rules and check them all day instead of submitting our entire lives to God. It is a sad state of afairs when are the ones governing each others behavior, instead of allowing the Holy Spirit to work in each individual. We all have access to the same Word of God and the same Holy Spirit through Jesus Christ our Lord. So we all must search the scriptures ourselves and have the Lord illuminate our hearts and our minds to what He would have us to do.-Jeshuafreak | ||||||
2 | question to smoke pot or not | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 54819 | ||
I agree that our policies regarding the dispensation of illegal drug users should balance justice and love. I agree that we can and should disable the lucrative economic forces that drive illicit drug production and distribution. I agree that we are not to judge others. I agree that the marijuana plant has many legitimate uses, including legitimate medical treatment supervised by a doctor. I agree that tobacco and alcohol can be equally problematic. I agree that there has been and still is much misunderstanding concerning marijuana, yet there is also now well established scientific evidence that marijuana is exceedingly harmful when smoked. Not just because of the active drug THC, which affects brain chemistry via modification of chemical receptors in the neural synapse, but also because of the plethora of other partially combusted and highly reactive toxic substances in the smoke. Perhaps more significantly, smoke comprises sub-micron particulates that are delivered into the smallest alveoli of the lungs and cannot be easily elimated through expectoration, causing chronic inflammation at the blood-gas interface, thus creating a persistent demand on the local immune system. I agree that eating the plant or drinking the tea is probably less harmful than smoking, but the significant impact of THC on brain chemistry remains, as evidenced by the high achieved via these routes of ingestion. Your commentaries are not without merit, but to be honest, it seems you are trying to find a biblical way to justify marijuana use, or at least that the bible does not prohibit it. Is this a case of the ends justifying the means? Finally, I agree that chocolate, like anything, can become an object of idolatry. If this is true for chocolate, how much more true is it for marijuana? Peace and Clarity, Parable |
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3 | question to smoke pot or not | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 54848 | ||
Indeed...I apreciate your comments. I appreciate your objectivity. I am trying to get us to all think about the big picture and the real issue. The issue is not I want to smoke pot so I need a good excuse. I will smoke it whether or not it is illegal. I have access and I don't have to support the black market. The point is and has been from the beginning is ..what is the motivation? Is it beneficial for some to use ? Regardless of what we have been brought up to believe there remains a choice. If it causes a person to stumble it is not good for them. I wouldn't invite a vegetarian over to have shepherd's pie or meatloaf. THIS HAS BEEN AN INTERESTING DEBATE, NONE THE LESS....-jeshuafreak | ||||||
4 | question to smoke pot or not | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 54872 | ||
The big picture is a mosaic made from our individual lives and what affects us individually affects the big picture. You said "I will smoke it whether or not it is illegal" then said the point is "what is the motivation?" For Christians, our motivation is for everything we think, say, do and become to reflect the life of Jesus Christ in us and through us. You have said "there remains a choice". I agree, but the choice is not between smoking pot or not smoking pot. It's about choosing between life and death, i.e. continuing in sin or dying to your old nature and being raised in Christ. The pot question is just a distraction, an indirect attack on your spirit. Drug abuse is a sign of a spiritual illness. The answer you want lies in recognizing and accepting your guilt before God, i.e. conviction by the Spirit, and by accepting His forgiveness and grace through what Jesus did for you on the cross. |
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5 | question to smoke pot or not | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 54896 | ||
The folowing is a quote from a larger article at: ******http://www.christkirk.com/images/Marijuana.html********** One Toke Over the Line By Douglas Wilson "In some places, the standards have simply collapsed. This is nothing other than old-fashioned backsliding, and it is common in modern evangelical circles. But in the midst of this general ethical slide, another phenomenon has appeared, one which is still comparatively rare. In the Reformed world, some have taken the banner of Christian liberty and have begun to wave it in favor of certain practices that would once have been rejected out of hand. One prime example of this is the idea (now current with some) that smoking marijuana in moderation is part of Christian liberty and no more to be rejected than enjoying a glass of wine at dinner." "Christian Liberty A classic statement of the meaning of Christian liberty is found in Chapter XX of the Westminster Confession of Faith. Because the "Christian liberty defense" of marijuana smoking is coming from what might be called the flotsam and jetsam of the Reformed world, I am beginning with the historic Reformed statement of the doctrine. At first glance, this might seem like an odd place to begin a discussion of smoking dope, but it actually makes a good deal of sense. Christian liberty is a fine-sounding phrase and rolls easily off the tongue. But our fathers in the faith were not as enamored of slogans as we are and have dealt thoroughly with the deeper ramifications of all this. We should consider their words carefully and learn from them when we ask, "What should we mean, exactly, by Christian liberty?" The first paragraph of this chapter in the Confession establishes the doctrinal foundation of all that follows. The liberty which Christ hath purchased for believers under the Gospel consists in their freedom from the guilt of sin, the condemning wrath of God, the curse of the moral law (Tit. 2:14; 1 Thess. 1:10; Gal. 3:13); and, in their being delivered from this present evil world, bondage to Satan, and dominion of sin (Gal. 1:4; Col. 1:13; Acts 26:18; Rom. 6:14); from the evil of afflictions, the sting of death, the victory of the grave, and everlasting damnation (Rom. 8:28; Ps. 119:71; 1 Cor. 15:54-57; Rom. 8:1); as also, in their free access to God (Rom. 5:1-2), and their yielding obedience unto Him, not out of slavish fear, but a child-like love and willing mind (Rom. 8:14-15; 1 John 4:18). All which were common also to believers under the law (Gal. 3:9, 14). But, under the new testament, the liberty of Christians is further enlarged, in their freedom from the yoke of the ceremonial law, to which the Jewish Church was subjected (Gal. 4:1-3, 6-7; 5:1; Acts 15:10-11); and in greater boldness of access to the throne of grace (Heb. 4:14, 16; Heb. 10:19-22), and in fuller communications of the free Spirit of God, than believers under the law did ordinarily partake of (John 7:38-39; 2 Cor. 3:13, 17-18)." |
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6 | question to smoke pot or not | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 54955 | ||
The summary of Christian liberty you cite is reasonable, yet I question its application in this case. Consider the potential consequences of using liberty in Christ to justify our actions, thereby setting an example for others to follow: Matt 18:6 "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Of course, the problem comes only if the actions are sinful. I understand that this is precisely the question you're asking in regard to smoking pot, and my point is that experience shows time after time that drug abuse interferes with one's relationship with God, even to the point of getting the person to think they are immune from such influence. It reminds me of a line from the movie "The Usual Suspects", when Kevin Spacey's character says "The best trick the devil ever pulled was getting people to believe he didn't exist." (my paraphrase) Also, consider Paul's admonition about our liberty in Christ: Romans 6:15 "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!" Again, the problem comes when the actions are sinful. Of course, the final authority for such personal decisions is the Holy Spirit, yet He does not force anyone to follow or even to hear. While He has given His Word in Scripture, He also leads us in our daily lives, when we attempt to apply His Word to specific circumstances unique to our times. A person who is spiritually lost must recognize that fact and then sincerely admit the need for guidance. Then, when He speaks, to listen and obey. But you already knew this. As a follower of Christ, you stand ready to do or not do as He commands. So rather than attempt to validate your decision by intricate debate, ask Him his will in this. But don't ask until you are as ready to stop smoking pot as you are to continue. Until you are ready to obey, asking is not meaningful and no amount of logical analysis will persuade you to abandon your selfish desires. Parable. p.s. in an earlier note, you said that you have access and don't support the illegal drug trade. I presume this is because you are smoking your father's pot that was prescribed to him by a doctor. Offering prescribed medications to others and taking another person's prescription are violations of federal law. So, for you to smoke pot in this way implies that you and possibly your father are committing a crime. In this specific case, scripture is clear that you must stop. Forget the idealistic arguement about what it would mean if this were not the case. The fact is, this is the case and this is the situation in which you are called to apply scripture. Hypothetical situations, by definition, do not exist. |
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7 | question to smoke pot or not | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 54973 | ||
You said, "Of course, the problem comes only if the actions are sinful. I understand that this is precisely the question you're asking in regard to smoking pot, and my point is that experience shows time after time that drug abuse interferes with one's relationship with God" I say AMEN!!! http://www.christkirk.com/images/Marijuana.html Did you take time to read this article? Thank you for your comments though unnecessary The talk was a great argument on why Christians should NOT smoke pot. Again thank you for your comments. -Jeshuafreak READ IT THEN MAKE A COMMENT PLEASE *****http://www.christkirk.com/images/Marijuana.html |
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8 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 54980 | ||
I'm confused. What exactly are you suggesting is the biblical position as to smoking pot? | ||||||
9 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 54982 | ||
Read the article it is against marijuanna ..I lost in this debate and I am diciding to side with God's Word. All I wanted was a good solid agument..not based on emotions I wanted cold hard object facts.....and not opinionions. I wanted a good solid argument against smoking pot... For years I justified it's use in my life. I am now fully convinced that I can no longer smoke it and have biblical support for doing so. Please read the debate that convicted me.*****One Toke Over the Line By Douglas Wilson http://www.christkirk.com/images/Marijuana.html |
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10 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 55029 | ||
OK. Praise God that you have made this decision. Believe it or not, this is probably the easiest part. I suggest you get started by getting substance abuse education in concert with group fellowship for life recovery. There's a lot going on with getting away from pot, don't underestimate how hard it's going to be and don't beat yourself up if you can't make a clean break on your own, which is usually not how it works. Stay in touch, I'm interested to know how things go and to support you. Parable |
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11 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 55084 | ||
I have made many breaks from pot.....I am not the personality that can't handle it on his own... I end up becoming legalistic and judgemental on those who still smoke it. They know how I get when I don't smoke it. I don't come around I don't call them....I hardly leave my home. I wrap myself up in a protective security blanket of Christian friends and church. This is in part wrong to do.. Christians have an obligation to the lost, misinformed and immoral brother. We need to be salt and light. thank you for the advice though. |
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12 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 55086 | ||
No, you can only quit once. Temporarily not using is not the same thing as quitting. Your inablility to quit shows that you are exactly the personality that cannot do it on your own, which is everyone. Your pridefullness is showing that you have not yet admitted you are powerless over your addiction and realized that the only way to be free of it is to give it and yourself over to God. That you become legalistic and judgemental shows you are still looking outward instead of at yourself and that you do not yet understand the dynamics of this spiritual illness. You are correct that you must leave behind your old life, especially your party friends, not because of your harsh judgement of that lifestyle and those you share it with, but rather because you see that you cannot survive their company nor withstand the forces that drive their using. You must not think that you can help them while you are still in bondage to this. Yes, we are salt and light, but don't deceive yourself into believing you are either until the Lord delivers you from this. Many have fallen because they underestimated how deeply the hook is set. Parable |
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13 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 55087 | ||
You said, "No, you can only quit once. Temporarily not using is not the same thing as quitting." AND I AGREE...but what I said was- "I have made many breaks from pot." Sometimes long for 3 years and shorter 1 year.. YOu also said**** "You are correct that you must leave behind your old life, especially your party friends, not because of your harsh judgement of that lifestyle and those you share it with, but rather because you see that you cannot survive their company nor withstand the forces that drive their using." With all due respect you don't know me or my freinds...I have tight friends who have known me for years and would do anything for me...they just happen to be ocasional pot smokers.. I will not judge them for that they will have to stand before the Lord one day , just like you and I , and give an account for the things done in the flesh... Think real hard and search deep in yourself...maybe there is something similair in your life that your flesh likes alot AND MAKE APPLICATION. Don't sit there an piously make your assumptions.. it is not atractive, nor uplifting. I know where I satnd...like David said in Psalm 51 my sin is ever before me.. AND GUESS WHAT? WE all sin. Confess it to the Lord and ask Him to do the changing and He will . No matter what happens He is the one that is causing all things to work together for good in the lives of genuine believers.. those of us who know Jesus personally. Thank again for advice.... You said at the end of your post**** "You must not think that you can help them while you are still in bondage to this. Yes, we are salt and light, but don't deceive yourself into believing you are either until the Lord delivers you from this. Many have fallen because they underestimated how deeply the hook is set." This is very true... my case in point.. one day I will be able to go into a smoke filled room and not be drawn to it or adversaly affected by the temptation.. but I will be able to share the goodness, mercy and grace with them that Jesus has for them. -Jeshuafreak |
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14 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 55090 | ||
I meant no disrespect, but rather to speak the truth in love and sometimes, the truth is not always "uplifting" nor "attractive". What I said applies to one degree or another, regardless your circumstances. The dynamics of drug abuse are well understood; they don't change much from person to person, although they do vary in intensity and consequences. The point is, your chances of conquering this on your own are slim and worse if you remain around those who are content to continue with pot. There is a reason good people spend years in graduate school to learn how to help others deal with problems like this. If you think you can make it alone, you have not reached even the first step in your recovery, i.e. humble acceptance that you are not in control. | ||||||
15 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 55114 | ||
Thank you ...and no.. I am pretty sure that I need spport from my wife, my Christian brothers and all of you. Please pray for me to have the strength from God to deny my flesh. There is no temptetion but that which is common to man.. He will not let us face the temptation w/out also giving us a means of escape. There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. I am a blood washed pilgrim and I am a soldier of Christ .. Lord keep me growing into the fullness of the man You want me to be . Thank YOu Lord. Amen | ||||||
16 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 55177 | ||
Yes, support from others is a good thing. However, your wife and friends are not professionals qualified to help you confront your deeper issues in a meaningful way. This takes special training. I've read some of your other posts and from what you describe, you are in deep and long. Don't be offended at what I'm about to say, but in all probability, your wife may be enabling your addiction and she may need counseling to understand how this could be possible. NA is good, if you sincerely work the program with a mature sponsor and don't just attend meetings and listen. But more importantly, you really need to have your program under the supervision of a qualified professional substance abuse counselor that you meet with in addition to your sponsor. Once you have completed the program, then you will be ready to be salt and light for others, perhaps by being a sponsor to them. Stop putting it off. Make an appointment. Go. Maybe even take your wife. How many reasons can you list not to do this? If you're like most addicts, you can find lots of reasons not to. This is the one reason you must. Its clear you have submitted yourself to Christ, now submit yourself to another person who can hold you accountable and help you constructively overcome what you have not yet dealt with. Clearly, you are highly intelligent, but this can be a stumbling block. There is such a thing as being too smart for your own good. I'm a good example :) Parable |
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17 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 55198 | ||
"NA is good, if you sincerely work the program with a mature sponsor and don't just attend meetings and listen. But more importantly, you really need to have your program under the supervision of a qualified professional substance abuse counselor that you meet with in addition to your sponsor." *******Too much new age funk in NA. They don't take to kindly to Christians,,especially out spoken Christians like myself. There is a group called overcomers that meets on Mondays at 7pm at my church.***** "Once you have completed the program, then you will be ready to be salt and light for others, perhaps by being a sponsor to them. " ******Yes we call them mentors too..and you can find alot of them in a good well balanced protestant church**** "Its clear you have submitted yourself to Christ, now submit yourself to another person who can hold you accountable and help you constructively overcome what you have not yet dealt with." ****Yes it is a slippery slope this thing called sin..**** Parable you are truly a brother thank you and God bless you. -Josh |
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18 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Cyclist | 55518 | ||
Josh, Where ever I am, I'll praise Him! When ever I can, I'll praise Him! For the LORD has been so good to me! I will praise the name of JESUS! I'll lift up the name of JESUS! Blessed be the name of the LORD our GOD now and forever more! Since this thread is not appearing on the home page, I would like to take time to pray with and for you and myself if I may. "Dear kind and righteous, wonderful, merciful, and loving Heavenly Father. We thank thee oh God for your Son Jesus Christ who thought not of Himself, but gave His life for our sins, and, for the sins of the world, blessed be His name forever. We thank you oh Lord for creating us in thy image. We thank you Lord for givings us a body to live in on this earth as it hath pleased thee. We thank you oh Lord for giving us the abilities that you have givien us. Thank you oh Lord for being merciful to us. We pray Father that you would bless us, my brother and I, with the strength of your Holy Spirit, to do thy will oh God, to please thee and not our flesh. We pray Father that you would impart your Holy Spirit to us Father so that we would not lean on our own understanding, but, follow thy leading through the Holy Spirit. We pray Father that you would instill and imbed your Holy Word in our heart and in our mind and in our soul so that every thought and imagination would be challenged and brought under the obedience of Jesus Christ, our Lord and our Savior. In the blessed name of your only begotten son, Jesus Christ, Amen. We love you Lord our God" Blessings to you Josh! My e-mail is dave@gowithats.com Cyclist I will bless the Lord at all times! His praise shall continually be in my mouth! |
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