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1 | question to smoke pot or not | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 54955 | ||
The summary of Christian liberty you cite is reasonable, yet I question its application in this case. Consider the potential consequences of using liberty in Christ to justify our actions, thereby setting an example for others to follow: Matt 18:6 "but whoever causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a heavy millstone hung around his neck, and to be drowned in the depth of the sea." Of course, the problem comes only if the actions are sinful. I understand that this is precisely the question you're asking in regard to smoking pot, and my point is that experience shows time after time that drug abuse interferes with one's relationship with God, even to the point of getting the person to think they are immune from such influence. It reminds me of a line from the movie "The Usual Suspects", when Kevin Spacey's character says "The best trick the devil ever pulled was getting people to believe he didn't exist." (my paraphrase) Also, consider Paul's admonition about our liberty in Christ: Romans 6:15 "What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!" Again, the problem comes when the actions are sinful. Of course, the final authority for such personal decisions is the Holy Spirit, yet He does not force anyone to follow or even to hear. While He has given His Word in Scripture, He also leads us in our daily lives, when we attempt to apply His Word to specific circumstances unique to our times. A person who is spiritually lost must recognize that fact and then sincerely admit the need for guidance. Then, when He speaks, to listen and obey. But you already knew this. As a follower of Christ, you stand ready to do or not do as He commands. So rather than attempt to validate your decision by intricate debate, ask Him his will in this. But don't ask until you are as ready to stop smoking pot as you are to continue. Until you are ready to obey, asking is not meaningful and no amount of logical analysis will persuade you to abandon your selfish desires. Parable. p.s. in an earlier note, you said that you have access and don't support the illegal drug trade. I presume this is because you are smoking your father's pot that was prescribed to him by a doctor. Offering prescribed medications to others and taking another person's prescription are violations of federal law. So, for you to smoke pot in this way implies that you and possibly your father are committing a crime. In this specific case, scripture is clear that you must stop. Forget the idealistic arguement about what it would mean if this were not the case. The fact is, this is the case and this is the situation in which you are called to apply scripture. Hypothetical situations, by definition, do not exist. |
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2 | question to smoke pot or not | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 54973 | ||
You said, "Of course, the problem comes only if the actions are sinful. I understand that this is precisely the question you're asking in regard to smoking pot, and my point is that experience shows time after time that drug abuse interferes with one's relationship with God" I say AMEN!!! http://www.christkirk.com/images/Marijuana.html Did you take time to read this article? Thank you for your comments though unnecessary The talk was a great argument on why Christians should NOT smoke pot. Again thank you for your comments. -Jeshuafreak READ IT THEN MAKE A COMMENT PLEASE *****http://www.christkirk.com/images/Marijuana.html |
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3 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 54980 | ||
I'm confused. What exactly are you suggesting is the biblical position as to smoking pot? | ||||||
4 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 54982 | ||
Read the article it is against marijuanna ..I lost in this debate and I am diciding to side with God's Word. All I wanted was a good solid agument..not based on emotions I wanted cold hard object facts.....and not opinionions. I wanted a good solid argument against smoking pot... For years I justified it's use in my life. I am now fully convinced that I can no longer smoke it and have biblical support for doing so. Please read the debate that convicted me.*****One Toke Over the Line By Douglas Wilson http://www.christkirk.com/images/Marijuana.html |
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5 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 55029 | ||
OK. Praise God that you have made this decision. Believe it or not, this is probably the easiest part. I suggest you get started by getting substance abuse education in concert with group fellowship for life recovery. There's a lot going on with getting away from pot, don't underestimate how hard it's going to be and don't beat yourself up if you can't make a clean break on your own, which is usually not how it works. Stay in touch, I'm interested to know how things go and to support you. Parable |
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6 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 55084 | ||
I have made many breaks from pot.....I am not the personality that can't handle it on his own... I end up becoming legalistic and judgemental on those who still smoke it. They know how I get when I don't smoke it. I don't come around I don't call them....I hardly leave my home. I wrap myself up in a protective security blanket of Christian friends and church. This is in part wrong to do.. Christians have an obligation to the lost, misinformed and immoral brother. We need to be salt and light. thank you for the advice though. |
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7 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 55086 | ||
No, you can only quit once. Temporarily not using is not the same thing as quitting. Your inablility to quit shows that you are exactly the personality that cannot do it on your own, which is everyone. Your pridefullness is showing that you have not yet admitted you are powerless over your addiction and realized that the only way to be free of it is to give it and yourself over to God. That you become legalistic and judgemental shows you are still looking outward instead of at yourself and that you do not yet understand the dynamics of this spiritual illness. You are correct that you must leave behind your old life, especially your party friends, not because of your harsh judgement of that lifestyle and those you share it with, but rather because you see that you cannot survive their company nor withstand the forces that drive their using. You must not think that you can help them while you are still in bondage to this. Yes, we are salt and light, but don't deceive yourself into believing you are either until the Lord delivers you from this. Many have fallen because they underestimated how deeply the hook is set. Parable |
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8 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 55087 | ||
You said, "No, you can only quit once. Temporarily not using is not the same thing as quitting." AND I AGREE...but what I said was- "I have made many breaks from pot." Sometimes long for 3 years and shorter 1 year.. YOu also said**** "You are correct that you must leave behind your old life, especially your party friends, not because of your harsh judgement of that lifestyle and those you share it with, but rather because you see that you cannot survive their company nor withstand the forces that drive their using." With all due respect you don't know me or my freinds...I have tight friends who have known me for years and would do anything for me...they just happen to be ocasional pot smokers.. I will not judge them for that they will have to stand before the Lord one day , just like you and I , and give an account for the things done in the flesh... Think real hard and search deep in yourself...maybe there is something similair in your life that your flesh likes alot AND MAKE APPLICATION. Don't sit there an piously make your assumptions.. it is not atractive, nor uplifting. I know where I satnd...like David said in Psalm 51 my sin is ever before me.. AND GUESS WHAT? WE all sin. Confess it to the Lord and ask Him to do the changing and He will . No matter what happens He is the one that is causing all things to work together for good in the lives of genuine believers.. those of us who know Jesus personally. Thank again for advice.... You said at the end of your post**** "You must not think that you can help them while you are still in bondage to this. Yes, we are salt and light, but don't deceive yourself into believing you are either until the Lord delivers you from this. Many have fallen because they underestimated how deeply the hook is set." This is very true... my case in point.. one day I will be able to go into a smoke filled room and not be drawn to it or adversaly affected by the temptation.. but I will be able to share the goodness, mercy and grace with them that Jesus has for them. -Jeshuafreak |
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9 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 55090 | ||
I meant no disrespect, but rather to speak the truth in love and sometimes, the truth is not always "uplifting" nor "attractive". What I said applies to one degree or another, regardless your circumstances. The dynamics of drug abuse are well understood; they don't change much from person to person, although they do vary in intensity and consequences. The point is, your chances of conquering this on your own are slim and worse if you remain around those who are content to continue with pot. There is a reason good people spend years in graduate school to learn how to help others deal with problems like this. If you think you can make it alone, you have not reached even the first step in your recovery, i.e. humble acceptance that you are not in control. | ||||||
10 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 55114 | ||
Thank you ...and no.. I am pretty sure that I need spport from my wife, my Christian brothers and all of you. Please pray for me to have the strength from God to deny my flesh. There is no temptetion but that which is common to man.. He will not let us face the temptation w/out also giving us a means of escape. There is therefore no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. I am a blood washed pilgrim and I am a soldier of Christ .. Lord keep me growing into the fullness of the man You want me to be . Thank YOu Lord. Amen | ||||||
11 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Parable | 55177 | ||
Yes, support from others is a good thing. However, your wife and friends are not professionals qualified to help you confront your deeper issues in a meaningful way. This takes special training. I've read some of your other posts and from what you describe, you are in deep and long. Don't be offended at what I'm about to say, but in all probability, your wife may be enabling your addiction and she may need counseling to understand how this could be possible. NA is good, if you sincerely work the program with a mature sponsor and don't just attend meetings and listen. But more importantly, you really need to have your program under the supervision of a qualified professional substance abuse counselor that you meet with in addition to your sponsor. Once you have completed the program, then you will be ready to be salt and light for others, perhaps by being a sponsor to them. Stop putting it off. Make an appointment. Go. Maybe even take your wife. How many reasons can you list not to do this? If you're like most addicts, you can find lots of reasons not to. This is the one reason you must. Its clear you have submitted yourself to Christ, now submit yourself to another person who can hold you accountable and help you constructively overcome what you have not yet dealt with. Clearly, you are highly intelligent, but this can be a stumbling block. There is such a thing as being too smart for your own good. I'm a good example :) Parable |
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12 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Jeshuafreak | 55198 | ||
"NA is good, if you sincerely work the program with a mature sponsor and don't just attend meetings and listen. But more importantly, you really need to have your program under the supervision of a qualified professional substance abuse counselor that you meet with in addition to your sponsor." *******Too much new age funk in NA. They don't take to kindly to Christians,,especially out spoken Christians like myself. There is a group called overcomers that meets on Mondays at 7pm at my church.***** "Once you have completed the program, then you will be ready to be salt and light for others, perhaps by being a sponsor to them. " ******Yes we call them mentors too..and you can find alot of them in a good well balanced protestant church**** "Its clear you have submitted yourself to Christ, now submit yourself to another person who can hold you accountable and help you constructively overcome what you have not yet dealt with." ****Yes it is a slippery slope this thing called sin..**** Parable you are truly a brother thank you and God bless you. -Josh |
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13 | what is your point? | Gen 1:12 | Cyclist | 55518 | ||
Josh, Where ever I am, I'll praise Him! When ever I can, I'll praise Him! For the LORD has been so good to me! I will praise the name of JESUS! I'll lift up the name of JESUS! Blessed be the name of the LORD our GOD now and forever more! Since this thread is not appearing on the home page, I would like to take time to pray with and for you and myself if I may. "Dear kind and righteous, wonderful, merciful, and loving Heavenly Father. We thank thee oh God for your Son Jesus Christ who thought not of Himself, but gave His life for our sins, and, for the sins of the world, blessed be His name forever. We thank you oh Lord for creating us in thy image. We thank you Lord for givings us a body to live in on this earth as it hath pleased thee. We thank you oh Lord for giving us the abilities that you have givien us. Thank you oh Lord for being merciful to us. We pray Father that you would bless us, my brother and I, with the strength of your Holy Spirit, to do thy will oh God, to please thee and not our flesh. We pray Father that you would impart your Holy Spirit to us Father so that we would not lean on our own understanding, but, follow thy leading through the Holy Spirit. We pray Father that you would instill and imbed your Holy Word in our heart and in our mind and in our soul so that every thought and imagination would be challenged and brought under the obedience of Jesus Christ, our Lord and our Savior. In the blessed name of your only begotten son, Jesus Christ, Amen. We love you Lord our God" Blessings to you Josh! My e-mail is dave@gowithats.com Cyclist I will bless the Lord at all times! His praise shall continually be in my mouth! |
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