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1 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | BradK | 89059 | ||
Tim, In all honesty, I'm not exactly sure if you're asking a question or making a statement. My feelings are that, again you're assuming too much:-) First of all, may I ask did you agree or disagree with my comments to Hank and Radioman2? You state "If we do not hear form God on a regular basis, then How do we walk in the Spirit? If we do not walk in the Spirit, we must be practicing dead works handed down from the traditions of man or by the letter, which kills, it is the spirit that gives life." Well, we "hear" from God through His Word primarily. We do this by study and meditation. We also hear from God through prayer. Both the study of Gods' Word and Prayer are vital to the Christian life. As Hebrews 4:12 states: "For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart." Tim, I honestly believe (from empirical evidence) that Gods' Word, faithfully and acurately proclaimed WILL without question change the hearer- if the hearer is diligent and humble in seeking Him! That's what Heb 4:12 is saying. Further, you also state "Anyone Born again, by Spiritual revelation can understand the Mystery" May I ask what this "Mystery" is or means to you? In other words, can you define for me what your understanding of this is so as I can better understand where you're coming from? Finally, yes God did speak to all these men- without doubt. However, if you're asking me if He's still giving direct "revelation" to us today, I would answer unequivocally, NO! This type of revelation, is again HIGHLY subjective. We have the completed, infallible, immutable canon of scripture. In that I stand firm. Speaking The Truth In Love, BradK |
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2 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | tj57h@cs.com | 89095 | ||
The "Mystery" witch Paul preached IS Christ in you the hope of Glory. Christ is our Life. COL. We live and move hand have our being in Christ. Acts. If you definition of revelation is the Mormons or Jehovah witness so called revelation, I agree with you. If you believe that our Lord does not lead and speak to us in situations and circumstances in life such as: Tell this woman about me! Or do not go there. I would tell you He speaks to me in this manner. Also, there is the written word aspect of the word and the Spiritual aspect of the word. Have you ever received a Rhema word? That is a word that becomes alive to you and you are empowered to walk in. Mere mental understanding of Romans 4 will not give one freedom in Christ; one has to understand the Spiritual aspects of it. Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ and his sacrifice puts us in right standing with God and saves us. Mere mental comprehension of it saves no one. In Hebrews we are to hear from God and enter into his rest, if we do not hear we do not inter into his rest. He leads us into a new and living way! I have heard from God, not in an extra Biblical way, and he does speak to me, mainly with direct quotes of the word of God. Hopefully this sheds light on my position on hearing from God. Love, Tim H. |
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3 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | Morant61 | 89097 | ||
Greetings Tim! First of all, welcome to the forum! Secondly, you wrote: "Also, there is the written word aspect of the word and the Spiritual aspect of the word. Have you ever received a Rhema word? That is a word that becomes alive to you and you are empowered to walk in." Where exactly does Scripture teach that 'rhema' means a word which becomes alive to someone and that they are then empowered to walk in it? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | tj57h@cs.com | 89105 | ||
Tim M. Ro 10:8 But what saith it ? The WORD is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon Strong's Number: 4487 Browse Lexicon Original Word Word Origin rJh'ma from (4483) Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Rhema 4:69,505 Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech hray'-mah Noun Neuter Definition that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word any sound produced by the voice and having definite meaning speech, discourse what one has said a series of words joined together into a sentence (a declaration of one's mind made in words) an utterance a saying of any sort as a message, a narrative 1c concerning some occurrence subject matter of speech, thing spoken of so far forth as it is a matter of narration so far as it is a matter of command a matter of dispute, case at law 2Co 4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, not walking in craftiness, nor handling the WORD of God deceitfully; but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God. The KJV New Testament Greek Lexicon Strong's Number: 3056 Browse Lexicon Original Word Word Origin lovgoß from (3004) Transliterated Word TDNT Entry Logos 4:69,505 Phonetic Spelling Parts of Speech log'-os Noun Masculine Definition of speech a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea what someone has said a word the sayings of God decree, mandate or order of the moral precepts given by God Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim discourse the act of speaking, speech the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking a kind or style of speaking a continuous speaking discourse - instruction doctrine, teaching anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, case, suit at law the thing spoken of or talked about; event, deed its use as respect to the MIND alone reason, the mental faculty of thinking, meditating, reasoning, calculating account, i.e. regard, consideration account, i.e. reckoning, score account, i.e. answer or explanation in reference to judgment relation, i.e. with whom as judge we stand in relation reason would reason, cause, ground In John, denotes the essential Word of God, Jesus Christ, the personal wisdom and power in union with God, his minister in creation and government of the universe, the cause of all the world's life both physical and ethical, which for the procurement of man's salvation put on human nature in the person of Jesus the Messiah, the second person in the Godhead, and shone forth conspicuously from His words and deeds. It is my understanding that Logos is the general word of God and that Rehma is the God breathed quickened and empowered word of God. I hope I have shed some light on the subject, thanks for the welcome! It will require a little study of the Greek. Do you have any comments on any thing else I have written? Love, In Christ, Tim H. |
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5 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | Morant61 | 89108 | ||
Greetings Tim! Thanks for the response my friend! I kind of asked you a loaded question my friend. I am well aware that many teach that there is some sort of distinction between 'logos' and 'rhema', but Scripture doesn't bear this out. In fact, the two terms are often used interchangeably. Consider the following examples: *************************************** The terms 'logos' and 'rhema' are basically synonymous. The both refer to a spoken word, though 'logos' has a richer tradition in both philosophical and theological thought. The fact that they are synonymous can be illustrated from Scripture. Here are a couple of examples. 1) Consider Luke 9:44 - " 44 ?Let these words sink into your ears; for the Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men.?" Here, 'logos' is used to refer to the words (or saying) about the betryal of the Son of Man. Now, look at Luke 9:45 - "But they did not understand this statement, and it was concealed from them so that they might not perceive it; and they were afraid to ask Him about this statement." Here, 'rhema' is used to refer to the statment Jesus just made in Luke 9:44. So, in the span of two verses, both terms are used to describe the same saying. 2) Luke 6:47 uses 'logos' to refer to Jesus' teaching, while Luke 7:1 uses 'rhema' to refer to His teaching. 3) John 8:43 uses 'logos' to refer to the words that the Jews could not hear, while John 8:47 uses 'rhema' to refer to the that they could not hear. 4) John 10:19 uses 'logos' to refer to the teaching that so upset the Jews, while John 10:21 uses 'rhema' to refer to the same teaching. 5) John 12:47-49 uses the terms interchangebly. There are other examples, but these should suffice. Both terms have as their basic meaning a spoken word. **************************************** While I do believe that God enlights us through His Spirit, the distinction made between these two words is really not valid. Both simply refer to something said or spoken. p.s. - Nice name my friend! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | tj57h@cs.com | 89137 | ||
While I do believe that God enlights us through His Spirit. My greatest concern is that believers understand that we get revelation from the Spirit of God. I will not argue with you view, however there are many leaders of the Church that disagree with your point of view. Kenneth Hagan, Lester Summaral, Kenneth Copeland, Paul Chow (The Pastor of the largest Church in the world) and I believe this is were I first learned this teaching by reading one of his books. Although I do not believe every thing these men teach, many hold their teaching in very high regards. My concern I have for this forum is that there seems to be a slant toward exposing the perceived error, and little regard for supporting the teaching that is true, do you have any idea why? Outside of the facts that human beings naturally view things from a negative viewpoint. Do you not have anything positive to say about other things I have written? In love, Tim H. |
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7 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89151 | ||
Hi Tim, I hate to be the one to break it to you, but some here on the forum believe all these preachers and teachers are heretics. The discussion concerning these teachers'actual teaching falls on deaf ears here. It will be wise to just stick to scripture my brother. Keep posting! God bless |
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8 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | Hank | 89163 | ||
gracefull writes to tj57H in Post No. 89151, "...some here on the forum believe all these preachers and teachers are heretics...it will be wise to just stick to Scripture, my brother..." ----- I submit to you, gracefull, that if "all these preachers and teachers" that you're talking about took your advice to Tim and stuck to Scripture, the number of forum users who consider their preaching and teaching heretical would diminish dramatically. I can't recall a single instance in which any regular member of this forum has termed any preacher or teacher a heretic unless the forum user gave ample and sound evidence from Scripture to support his position. The Christian has not merely the right but also the divine command to reprove and rebuke teaching that is clearly contrary to Scripture. Do you believe that everyone who claims to preach the truth does in fact do so, or does your observation of some of the beliefs and practices being carried out on the media and in various religious groups persuade you that there are false teachers and deceivers out there, masquerading as followers of Christ and heralds of His gospel? --Hank | ||||||