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1 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89353 | ||
"You never address the real issue. You rightly said You will never let experience judge God's word. Okay where does God's word say if we have enough faith we will never die? Because in effect that is what your saying. If you have enough faith you can overcome anything even physical death since physical death is caused by disease. I would just like to see that in scripture." 1. The SUBJECT of the thread was revelation knowledge... 2.I am not at all clear as to when it turned to 'never dying'. I am guessing you speaking of physical death. Neither I nor WOF (the ones I listen too) say our physical body never dies, but rather that we can 'go to sleep'when our work is done, and one does not have to be sick to die. Here is another example of the false assumptions placed on what I believe. You keep saying I don't talk scripture to you, you have never provided a false scripture however you do take a single scripture and use it to base your point. I think we will both agree this nation is committing great harlotry in it's desire for personal pleasure going as far as aborting babies when they are inconvenient. I could then take this passage "Go, take yourself a wife of harlotry And children of harlotry, For the land has committed great harlotry By departing from the Lord." And say every true believer should marry a whore. Is the scripture a lie? No! Does this not fit the situation? Yes! Well what is wrong why can't we assume that all men should go marry a whore. The fact that God was talking to Hosea in Hosea 1:2 and not setting church doctrine. A come back is God is not a respecter of persons so if he said it to Hosea He is saying it to me. That is not the case, God spoke directly to Hosea for him to do something it simply does not apply to us today. I understand taking scripture out of context and making a doctrine out of it. That has been done with the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Gifts for centuries. I said when a single scripture is being discussed in it's context we should not say it does not say what it clearly says or refuse to discuss it because we are affread of where it may take us. I also did not say you never discuss scripture with me, I said when a threads should not turn personal. And the discussion should not be 'tossed out' by accusations of heresy. the Pharasees did that to Jesus often when they did not want to hear what He was saying. When that happens, we should move on. The only reason I am still talking to you is 1. the thread has bee restricted so it's just you and me, and because I would really like for us to get to the place where you stop trying to read my posts and determine where I am going and head me off at the pass. "Your right God rewards and honors our faith and without faith it is impossible to please God. However misdirected faith is as bad as no faith at all. When we try to use our faith to manipulate God into giving us what we want we are in effect saying we know what is right better than you God. Isn't that what spoiled children do and say. God isn't raising spoiled children he is raising princes and princess, royal people, a holy nation." It was in WOF that I first heard the 'concept' that the Word of God is the uncompromised will of God. And that faith was the avenue God initiated for receiving His promises....And if our desires line up with His will...so be it. The parting so to speak seems to take place when we say God can illuminate His personla will to each individual and when He does, we must stand at all cost. As children of a rich Father, we are inclined to ask amiss alot, but the good news is that you should not worry about that because when we ask amiss, He does not answer! He is the Father, we are all children, learning and maturing under His guidance by the Holy Spirit. "You have never been unfairly treated nor have you been attacked. What has been attacked is your refusal to seek the truth, to read what I and others have asked you to read, to reexamine the teachers that have gave you the teachings you carry." "Do not declare your abuse, declare you refusal to seek the truth! And yes I will continue to warn others of your cultic teachings." I believe my statement to Tim was not to use teachers' names who some here consider heretics. It will cause the thread to break down... This thread is now proof positive that I was correct. Ed, I am tired of repeating myself only to have you turn around and repeat it back incorrectly...I am done with this conversation. God bless |
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2 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | EdB | 89374 | ||
Graceful By the way the only reason I'm also continuing this discussion is that is is more or less private. I responded to your comment at 89150 and Tim said he agreed with you. I just warned him that you were WOF. I never saw you say anything about teachers you just said people would try to deflect his thread and that it happens all the time to you. Now to the issue You said, "I understand taking scripture out of context and making a doctrine out of it. That has been done with the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the Gifts for centuries. I said when a single scripture is being discussed in it's context we should not say it does not say what it clearly says or refuse to discuss it because we are affread of where it may take us." In my example in Hosea it clearly says that because the nation had forsook God he should marry a whore. That is not out of context nor is it adding any other meaning. However we both know God does not want every man to marry a whore. See the context and the meaning of the verse supports it but reason tells us God meant something clearly different. That is where we tangle in WOF teaching. Many times in context and meaning the verse does say what they claim however scripture has clearly established clearly shown other places that is not the meaning of the verse. When this happens is when our communications break down I try to show that the verse is redefinned somewhere else and you want to beat the fact the verse says what is says. This issue is very complicated and that is why I have repeatedly asked you to read Christianity in Crisis and Counterfeit Revival, here the writer takes each false teaching discussing the verse as it is in the Bible and what other verses show it to really mean. Please read the book. EdB |
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3 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | gracefull | 89379 | ||
"I never saw you say anything about teachers you just said people would try to deflect his thread and that it happens all the time to you." No, Tim did, that was why I warned him to stick to scripture. "In my example in Hosea it clearly says that because the nation had forsook God he should marry a whore. That is not out of context nor is it adding any other meaning. However we both know God does not want every man to marry a whore. See the context and the meaning of the verse supports it but reason tells us God meant something clearly different." This was at God's specific instruction and He often had his prophets resort to natural actions to speak to spiritual. And to use this as a command or authorization to marry a whore is taking it out of context. "That is where we tangle in WOF teaching. Many times in context and meaning the verse does say what they claim however scripture has clearly established clearly shown other places that is not the meaning of the verse. When this happens is when our communications break down I try to show that the verse is redefinned somewhere else and you want to beat the fact the verse says what is says." I use them in context...Again to pull another meaning from the above would be to take it out context. Christianity today if read and taken at face value would convey the message you send, but for one to truly research the quotes or misquotes would take the committment of a ministry. From one who came from the misquoted side to the book, I see readily the misquotes. If you can't prove questionable issues here on the forum from scripture, why do you expect new comeers to just accept your belief? Just take your word for it? That is my issue...I told Tim do not reference WOF teachers because the thread would break down and the discussion would be lost......... As it HAS God bless |
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4 | special revelation vs general revelation | Ps 19:1 | EdB | 89385 | ||
Graceful I believe if you wanted to find the truth I could show you from scripture. However you have the belief your right and I'm a monster trying to steal your faith therefore you refuse to examine the issue further. If we were talking one on one I'm certain if you were truely seeking the truth I could show you the truth. Understand this whether you accept or reject what I say I don't get a thing for it. If you continue to support the false teachers you have they get rich. I have no motive other than I don't want to see you continue in this deception. God has placed you on my heart there are others here that teach similar false teachings but they don't bother me. However my heart aches everytime I see you quoting some of that junk. Again look at the motives what do I gain if I can convince you. Nothing even the forum will not know since this is a restricted thread I have nothing to gain. However if you will look closely at those I oppose you will see they have everything to gain if you continue to buy their teaching. EdB |
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