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1 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 970 | ||
If you are new to this thread, please read the prior two postings before this one to understand where I am coming from. Thank you. Why is it that when something in the Bible doesn't fit with your interpretation, you feel you must either horribly twist it out of context or in this case give the simple answer that since it doesn't make sense then it must just be because we don't know everyting God does? Couldn't this mean that your interpretation doesn't hold up and that Calvinism is no better than the other religions or cults that base their entire belief structure on a few verses taken out of context so that the can separate themselves and "Feel" superior to others? Why can't you see that the whole bible fits in with the "Free Will" theory while only a small portion can be used to justify "Election". Is there anyone out there can interpret this without the standard "It's just one of those mysteries"? I'm sorry if I come off as being harsh, but it's just that I'm getting frustrated trying to understand how someone can honestly read and interpret the whole bible and come away thinking that God chose some people to be saved and chose others that would not. I am willing to admit that I could be interpreting this incorrectly, but as of yet, have not been able to see where my interpretations err (on major subjects) when taking the whole bible into context. |
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2 | Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? | Job 38:1 | Radioman | 973 | ||
PART TWO. Why won't Calvinists answer directly? 1) Who is a Calvinist? If I don't call myself a Calvinist, who are you to put that label on me? 2)Answer what directly? Sometimes the questions are so off topic, so hypothetical and broad, that they cannot be answered. . . . 3) Do you respond directly? You all never respond directly to the Scriptures used to defend election. I've rarely, if ever, seen an anti-electionist directly answer a scripture or an argument used to prove election. You usually answer a question with more questions or with sophistry that only confuses the issue. I've read more rambling remarks, irrelevant Scripture, hypothetical questions, "why" questions full of suppositions and way off topic, angry comebacks and just plain nonsense in the anti-Calvinism answers and questions. How is anybody supposed to answer such wide-ranging, hypothetical questions? . . . I would also note that the underlying resistance of the anti-election people is due to their idea that God just wouldn't be fair if election were true. And so they ask WHY questions that are worded to get the other person to agree with them. If election isn't true or doesn't exist, why does the Bible make 250 references to the subject? . . . Again people keep raising objections to what they call Calvinism while not bothering to even try to read and understand a definition and explanation of the doctrine. It's as if I had driven a Honda Accord for 20 years. Then you come along. You've never even seen a Honda Accord, but you've already decided you don't like Accords and don't want one. In that situation do you think you could convince me the car is no good? Having never seen one, you wouldn't have the slightest personal knowledge on which to build an argument. At best, you would be limited to quoting the writings of others, parroting their ideas while having none of your own. . . . Again, if I ever saw a well-thought-out, Scripture related question re election, I would make a sincere attempt to answer it. . . . In conclusion, thiese remarks may have sounded harsh and critical. Such was not my intention. I have love and respect for you and all who are my brothers and sisters in Christ. I respect your right to your own attitudes, opinions and beliefs. It's just that I cannot sit by silently and read all the criticism, mockery and misunderstanding of the Bible doctrine of election. As Dylan said, "Don't criticize what you don't understand." If you've read this entire answer, then I thank you for your time and patience. Let's keep searching and learning for greater wisdom and understanding, shall we? After 30 years of serious Bible study, I feel as though I've only begun to scratch the surface in knowing and understanding Scripture. My thanks to you and the other users for stimulating me to continue to search, study and pay attention to the details of the Bible. Always look forward to reading your questions or comments. In Christ, Radioman |
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3 | Problems with Election Theory - Part One | Job 38:1 | jg8ball | 975 | ||
Thank you for the rather long reply (although you still refuse to interpret how the 3 questions I asked in the original posting relate to the idea of Election.) In Part 1, you accuse me of not having any knowledge of Election. You are greatly mistaken. I may not have as many years mainly because I can't as easily believe in something that I don't feel is biblically sound. You also asked why I "branded" this as Calvinism. Mainly because this is one of the points that Calvinist believe. Assuming that there are Non-Calvinists that believe in Election then I will use the term Election believers rather than Calvinists. You also stated that because the word "Free Will" is only used two times and only then in reference to offerings that it must mean the the doctrine of election is true. I assume then that you don't believe in the Trinity because that word is never used. You have mistakenly assumed that since the term we call "free will" is not mentioned that it must not exists. What you fail to see is all the examples of "free will" that do exists. The same is true for the Trinity. Although the word we use to describe it doesn't exist, examples that show it does. As far as the count of the words elect, election, chose, and chosen you include many accounts that talk more of free will than election. James 4:4 Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. John 7:17 If anyone chooses to do God's will... and many more. In fact, of the 66 times you say "choose" is mentioned, There are only three that when taken out of context could be used to relate to election. Please don't overinflate your numbers to make your point hoping that people will just take for granted what you say. Then then said that there was not one word that contradicts the teaching of election. You were right. There are many, many words. Examples were the three questions that you nor anyone else I've asked seem to be able to explain. If you'd like more examples, let me know. In your last paragraph in part one, I think you are really referring to the way people that believe in Election are. I have explained what I'm opposed to and defined it. I've shown (in other postings) how the typical election verses are taken out of context. I've tried to see the Election viewpoint but have had all my questions go unanswered. You also seem to imply that the only people that will understand Election are the people that accept it. I assume that I misinterpreted what you wrote because that statement would be absurd in trying to prove your point. (Continued in Part Two) |
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4 | Problems with Election Theory - Part One | Job 38:1 | Radioman | 995 | ||
Greetings, jg8ball! I have made my sincere reply, although I didn't address it to the respective question listed in the tree. I am writing this to remove a question that is no longer unanswered. Hope you don't mind. See you later! | ||||||