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Subject: Why won't Calvinists answer directly??? |
Bible Note: Indeed there is no sin so great that God is incapable of forgiving it! You know I didn't make a stand on solid Biblical statements that I know what happened to Pharoah. But with all the quality wisdom you can muster don't you think the story of Pharoah would convince most that he didn't get saved! You who believe that unregenerate man can actually make a rational choice really have a great example to discuss in Pharoah. If unregenerate man can actually choose God then your statement that there is a possibility that Pharoah repented later serves as a great test case of typical human beings. If he is regenerate it only happened by God's choice of him first! Anything else is and uncaused event (or in other words-its absurd). Man is not the first cause of anything significant in the universe, God is! By the way, I don't subscribe to the belief that the way God chose the non-elect is by specificly working in the lives of those who are not saved to harden them to the guaranteed point of sending them to Hell. I know that in the rhetorical moment of an earlier comment I made it sound like I beleive God makes positive surety of those going to Hell by His involvement directly. That is not the way it works. God will instead give one over to the real state of their heart. Pharoah had enough evil in his heart already, so when God hardened his heart it was done by restraining his grace from him. God set it out from the foundation of eternity to either elect Pharoah or pass him over and it had nothing to do with the self-refuting nonsense that God had to look into the the future to see what Pharoah would do and then respond. Have you ever considered how self-refuting that idea (a popular idea in our modern t.v. culture) that requires God to observe the future and then act or reward so-to-speak based on what he observed? It refutes itself because it assumes the Ruler of the universe who isn't quite so sovereign over His creatures that He can't or won't just do what He wants to do firstly, and must instead wait upon His creatures to assert themselves and then He responds as a second-cause. Who is God really in this model? How does he do this and still remain sovereign? Of course another impossibility is that unregenerate man can choose his own eternal fate while in sin. This of course has to happen first to set that small 'g' god described above as a second causal being into motion to monkey around with his universe. I tell you it is self refuting! |