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1 | Pragmatism is of the World | Job 21:15 | Ray | 129621 | ||
Hi Hank, The occasion that came to my mind is found in John 6:15. John 6:16, NASB, "Jesus therefore perceiving that they were intending to come and take Him by force to make Him king, withdrew again to the mountain by Himself alone." John 6:15, NKJ, "Therefore when jesus perceived tat they were about to come nd take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone." In this thread I have noted that members write about making God King and/or king in our lives. On the cross was posted, "King [sic] of the Jews". Here in John 6:15 the people were taking Him "by force" to make Him (k)King. How about us? Are we going to make Him King of our lives? This is an important pronoun of Deity. It is a thing (pronoun) to consider carefully, pragmatically. Greek: [pragmatikos - pragma, business, orig. a thing done - prassein, to do] I see two options in interpretting John 6:15 depending I would suppose on how you view the intentions of the people. With five pronouns for both options: John 6:15, "Jesus therefore perceiving that they were intending to come and take Him by force to make Him King*, withdrew again to the mountain by Himself alone." John 6:15, NKJ, "Therefore when Jesus perceived that they were about to come and take Him by force to make Him king, He departed again to the mountain by Himself alone." My personal choice would be the NKJ for this verse. I think they were wanting to make Him king. But it remains the truth, that He is the King. From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Pragmatism is of the World | Job 21:15 | Hiskid84 | 129626 | ||
Hi, Ray. Thank you for sharing your thoughts. :) Though it was my impression that Hank's post was strictly tongue-in-cheek, you posted some interesting things to think about. I was curious about this statement you made: "How about us? Are we going to make Him King of our lives? This is an important pronoun of Deity. It is a thing (pronoun) to consider carefully, pragmatically." Now I have to admit, not being as knowledgeable as some on the forum I am still trying to understand the term "pragmatism" and get a general idea of what it encompasses. For that reason I can't really address that entire statement. However, I am curious as to your thought that somehow we have the ability to make Christ the King of our lives. It seems to equal Country Girl's statement that Hank was replying to. Please don't think I am nit-picking here. (That's a weird phrase...has anyone ever really picked a nit? What IS a nit? Is that like those tiny things monkeys like to eat?) I honestly do believe that I understand what it is you (and Country Girl) are wanting to convey (and please correct me if I'm wrong). I'm just wondering if this might be a better way to express it: Jesus Christ is the eternal King. He is Ruler over all things. He is King of my life. As such, I acknowledge His kingship through my obedience to His commands. (1 Tim 1:15) This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief. (1Tim 1:16) However, for this reason I obtained mercy, that in me first Jesus Christ might show all longsuffering, as a pattern to those who are going to believe on Him to everlasting life. (1Tim 1:17) Now to the KING eternal, immortal, invisible, to God who alone is wise, be honor and glory forever and ever. Amen (1 Tim 6:13) I urge you in the sight of God who gives life to all things, and before Christ Jesus who witnessed the good confession before Pontius Pilate, (1 Tim 6:14) that you keep this commandment without spot, blameless until the appearing, (1 Tim 6:15) which He will manifest in His own time, He who is the blessed and only Potentate (Sovereign), the KING of kings and Lord of lords, (1 Tim 6:16) who alone has immortality, dwelling in unapproachable light, whom no man has seen or can see, to whom be honor and everlasting power. Amen. NKJ He IS the King. To say that I must make Him king of my life is to say that failure to do so makes Him NOT king of my life. I do not possess the power to either place Him on any throne (whether my heart or elsewhere) or to dethrone Him (since He already is King). So the real issue is not whether I make Him king of my life (something already existing) but to what degree I submit my life to His kingship. Or so go my thoughts on the subject. I hope they make sense. If not, please see Hank. :) In Christ, Karen |
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3 | Pragmatism is of the World | Job 21:15 | Country Girl | 129629 | ||
I'm thinking I can feel free to jump in and respond so here goes. I think your statement shows a lot of wisom. In the final analysis, about as final as you can get on Judgment Day, God is going to be looking to see how we lived our lives. So from a practical standpoint, although DocT's point may be right on target and God IS in fact King of the whole universe, whether or not we make it into Heaven depends on how we lived our lives. Our two choices as freely given by God is to act like He is in fact King of our lives and submit to His commands, guidance and examples in His Holy Word OR we can choose to act in any other way we choose, unruly or unGodly which gets us a one-way ticket to Hell. It seems God's Word is very clear on this matter, is it not? Awaiting your response or possibly DocT's, Hank's?? Blessings to you all. Country Girl PS: By the way, I'm thinking Pragmatism is basically an interesting way to talk about being practical. That is the actual action being accomplished and associated steps to get there in contrast to the theory or merely discussing such an action. In other words: "where the rubber meets the road." |
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4 | Pragmatism is of the World | Job 21:15 | Morant61 | 129670 | ||
Greetings Country Girl! You wrote: "...whether or not we make it into Heaven depends on how we lived our lives." Where does Scripture actually say this? Scripture clearly teaches that this is not true. Consider the following: 1) Titus 3:4 - "But when the kindness and love of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of righteous things we had done, but because of his mercy. He saved us through the washing of rebirth and renewal by the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us generously through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life." 2) 2 Tim. 1:9 - "who has saved us and called us to a holy life—not because of anything we have done but because of his own purpose and grace. This grace was given us in Christ Jesus before the beginning of time," Christians are already citizens of Heaven - NOW! Our citizenship is not dependent upon how we live our lifes. Phil. 3:20 - "But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ," Our inheritance in Heaven is kept by God Himself for us. 'Kept' is the word 'guarded'. We don't have to 'hope' we will get our inheritance. God Himself is guarding it and keeping it for us. 1 Pet. 1:4 - " and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade—kept in heaven for you," I pray that everyone reading this would, once and for all, come to understand God's grace. We don't have to 'earn' salvation. It is a gift, not a wage to be earned. It is a present reality, not something that we only hope we will receive in the future. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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5 | Pragmatism is of the World | Job 21:15 | Country Girl | 129738 | ||
Don't you see, I'm just trying to help people be as certain as they can be so we can KNOW we're going to Heaven as described in 1 John 5. There are at least as many scriptures in the Bible in support of my position as there are in favor of yours, i.e. John 12:48 and Rev 2:10. And again, when the scriptures offer two different positions on a particular topic, it's always safer to err on the side of caution. If we do everything in our power to obey God, then we can approach Judgment Day with confidence. Once we know God's commands, we can't tell Him on that Fateful Day tell Him we didn't know of those commands. And since we're all Bible students here on the Forum, we all do want to do ALL of what God wants us to do, right? Blessings to all of God's children and our attempts to obey Him. Country Girl |
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6 | Pragmatism is of the World | Job 21:15 | Morant61 | 129792 | ||
Greetings Country Girl! But, your going about it the wrong way by trying to 'earn' it! :-( We can approach judgement day with complete confidence if we have accepted the gift of salvation, not by trying to be 'good' enough. If you really want to help people KNOW that they are going to Heaven, encourage them to trust in God's grace - not their own works. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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