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1 | Are we back to the absurd view...? | 2 Timothy | Radioman2 | 80908 | ||
Are we back to the absurd view that the KJV is the Bible of Paul and the apostles? Many people, such as the KJV-Only advocates, are scared to death that someone might get hold of a so-called corrupt Bible translation that will somehow deceive them into committing apostasy or heresy. The inspiration of the Bible, the deity of Christ, the incarnation, the atonement, God's plan of salvation, the Second Coming of Christ, etc. can be proven using the KJV, NKJV, NIV, ASV, RSV, NASB, or any number of other translations. The idea that the same passage in one version will be translated to have an opposite meaning in another verison is pure nonsense. I see no need for people to become hysterical in their fierce opposition to this translation or their fanatical defense of that translation. Moreover, the differences in the wording of various translations is due more to the aim of the translators (to produce a word-for-word or thought-for thought translation) than to differences in the underlying Greek texts, which are minor. |
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2 | Are we back to the absurd view...? | 2 Timothy | justme | 80909 | ||
Radioman2: The verses in 2Timothy that came to mind are 3:16 and 16. Though anyone could use these verses to prove their point. I can't help but think of Romans 14. From my perspective, Paul says we are to be accepting of each others ways in the way we belive the Lord has instructed us. Paul simplifies the text down to a "meat and vegtables" type of accepting one another. I have really struggled with the same issue you bring up. For some there is no leway and no way to accept anyone who does not use the KJV. I personally see these type of Christians as the "weaker" that Paul refers to. I have less frustration when I see it that way. Perhaps tradition is what holds some Christians faith tightly bound together. Perhaps the biggest mountian to overcome is no version that is not written in Greek or Hebrew is exact, in translating word for word and thought for thought. There is no perfect English translation. Every English translation has a biasis. The translators come from a pointof common understand. One example is the NRSV. The agenda was a gender inclusive translation. In order to get the result of such a translation there has to be a changing of the orignal language of the Greek and Hebrew. This in my opinion is distorting the meaning. The TNIV which, some of us on the Forum were asked to review, is flawed so badly that the translators have what I believe to be an agenda beyond inclusivity. Romans 1 is so badly flawed that it uses "practicing homosexuals" which in no way can be gotten from the greek no matter how badly you translate it just is not there. I agree that there is a movement to discredit and translation that is not KJV. I grew up on the KJV, and if it was the only Bible I could and would use it. However, it would take some real effort to adapt. I use the updated NASB and I have challenged several verses that I went back and did a word by word search. I have yet to find a verse to fail that personal test by me. I admit I am not profishent in Biblical languafes but I do have the tools to help me take on the task. This is a debate that will not be settled this side of heaven. I pray that we who are blessed by some very good translations will be tollerant to those who come from a sincere place of concern that they remain pure to the KJV. I don't agree withe that view, but I can espress kindness and tolerate their mistrust of newer better translations. The problem is often those who are KJV loyalists are often so demanding there is no room for dialogue. Your thoughts are welcome. Blessings. justme |
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3 | Are we back to the absurd view...? | 2 Timothy | Morant61 | 80915 | ||
Greetings Justme! Excellent comments my friend! May I add to your point? I don't want to make people lose confidence in the Bible (it is reliable), but the problem extends even beyond the translation issue. The text which is actually translated must also be decided upon. The KJ Only people seem to operate on the assumption that there was one established Biblical text. This is false. There are thousands of manuscripts which differ from one another in various ways (mostly dealing with minor issues). Textual critics have to compare and evalute those differences in order to determine the actual text. The KJV was based upon the textual choices of one man using only a handful of manuscripts, none of which was older than the 10th to 12th century. Modern texts are based upon the work of many individuals using thousands of manuscripts, some of which are as old as the 2nd to 3rd century. This is not to say that KJV is bad. It isn't. All of the translations agree the vast majority of the time. There are occasions where they differ, and everyone may not agree with the textual choices made, but every text is the result of textual choices. There simply is not one 'offical' text. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | Are we back to the absurd view...? | 2 Timothy | justme | 80922 | ||
Morant61: Tim, I can't express how upset I have let myself become when argueing this. I had to pray and see my view, was as I believed to be far above others ignorance. The Word spoke to me through Romans, and I saw my attude was wrong! I believe that part of Christian love for others is to be willing to listen (in the forums case read) carefully, and react slowly, with wisdon. I am still in the process of learning, but I can see of no other way to show kindness and respect for my brethern in Christ Jesus. I pray that my heart will be able to take attacks on my beliefs and turn then into the words that bring peace instead of strife. Someone, somewhere said, for those who want to believe there is more than enough evidence. For those that will not believe there never will be enough evidence. I pray I will can know the difference in people. Blessings and nice to hear from you. justme |
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5 | Are we back to the absurd view...? | 2 Timothy | Morant61 | 80923 | ||
Greetings Justme! I commend you my friend for you peaceable and gracious attitude on this forum. Would that we all would love one another first, and then discuss our views second. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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