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1 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | KBurgee | 75903 | ||
What's up gracefull, and thanks for responding. When I say the uneducated sprouting gibberish, I'm not attacking the Word of God. I'm saying that the speaking of tongues, in some cases, can be forced. I'll explain: I've seen what the original poster is talking about, as far as saying that if you don't speak in tongues, you're not Holy Spirit-filled. One particular case involved that same circle of people I hinted at before, speaking in a language that was foreign to them, responding to each other in that same language, almost snapping back and forth at each other to elicit a response. I'm not attacking the Holy Spirit; I'd be foolish to do that, and that's not what I'm talking about. Rather, I'm saying that the conditions for speaking in tongues outlined in 1 Corinthians were not met, and the result was detrimental to the edification of the church and was just noise. When the pastor spends much time pointing out the guidelines and pointing out how people are wrong, and proceeds to do the exact same thing he lambasted people for, outside of the requirements set forth by the Lord (and to a much lesser degree, himself), it's strange. I do believe you when you say in certain circumstances an interpreter may not step up to the plate. But I also believe that the Holy Spirit is orderly, and does not and can not do anything to the detriment of the church. When I also say uneducated, I mean in terms of the Bible. Maybe uneducated is a bit of a strong word (I'll agree to use immature), because I've seen it happen consistenly with some educated people. It's one thing to sit in service, have the Holy Spirit fill within you, and be able to speak in tongues (with interpretation). It's quite another when the purpose of speaking and shouting these tongues aloud is not for the edification of the church, but because someone has told you that if you don't speak in tongues then you're not "Spirit filled". In these cases, people try to force the gift that may not even be present in that person, moreso edifying the gifts than edifying the Giver. My post wasn't meant to be mean spirited or rude. But I've seen people attempt to force it out of people for "their own sakes". It's one thing if the Lord reveals to a pastor or someone that a specific person has the gift and needs to be encouraged a bit to use it, in prayer and for the edification of the church. And it's another when it comes down to "well, you don't have that gift so I'm A)better than you and B)I'm more Spirit filled than you". Gracefull, I'm interested to know - when you spoke, did you speak in public? Or privately? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything. |
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2 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | gracefull | 75995 | ||
Thank for your clarification. Our culture in America is often one of arrogance through 'much learning'. To clarify the statement 'uneducated' by using the term spiritually immature. Also keep in mind that the GIFT of tongues (prophetic message from the Holy Spirit to be followed by interpretation in the congregation) is not the same thing as tongues to be used in private worship and prayer. Although I do not take the position that to be filled with the Spirit one MUST speak in tongues, I rather take the position that to be filled with the Spirit one can speak in tongues (prayer language available to all). My position is from the opposite side of the same coin...If one IS Spirit filled they CAN speak in tongues, pray in the Spirit between them and God, and as Paul said should ask for the interpretation. From this positive perspective, why would one reject this precious gift? Tongues as with anything else we receive from God must be received by faith..faith denoting belief AND action. I think this is the "try to force the gift" idea. Often full gospel believers will try to help those seeking to understand that although the ability to speak in tongues is present becuase the Holy Spirit is present, they must speak, they must step out by faith ant their vocal cords and brain is involved. You asked if I spoke in public...Yes. When I was first 'filed with the Spirit and spoke in tongues' I was taught properly in praying quietly or in my prayer closet. About 10 years later the Lord impressed that He had given me the GIFT of tongues, and when the Holy spirit desires to speak the 'unction' is different. Since this is 'experience' and not scripture, it is inappropriate for this forum. If you would like to continue a conversation elsewhere, let me know. God bless |
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3 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | KBurgee | 76003 | ||
Hey gracefull, thanks for the reply. I know prayer language is different from the language that needs to be intepreted for the edification of the church (since the prayer language is a language that only God can understand), but some people's spiritual immaturity (or misguidance) takes them outside of the box, so to say. I'm not bashing anyone here or trying to take a "holier-than-thou" attitude. I know that all of us, including yours truly, are spiritually immature in a lot of ways. My problem just comes from the school of thought that we NEED to be able to publically speak in tongues to consider ourselves Spirit filled, or even saved (now, THAT'S another discussion that I'd like to share with you). I'm very interested in knowing about your experience. Check out my profile. I hope to hear from you soon. | ||||||