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1 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | Bob Y. | 25890 | ||
Retxar, I agree with you completely. I believe your first scriptural referance 1Co 13:1 says it. Does it matter whether we speak languages of men or of angels, if we don't have love are we not just a noisy gong? Those who show the attitude of “look what God gave me and not you” are not displaying an attitude of love and concern for fellow believers For every scripture reference concerning tongues there are arguments for both views, but what is important is that we encourage people to believe and grow in Jesus, not trying to falsley make them feel that their relationship with Him is in some way substandard because they are not showing one gift or another. Thank you for your responses, brother. Grace and piece to you, also. Bob |
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2 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | KBurgee | 75887 | ||
Bob and retxar, I've enjoyed your conversations on this subject. Kimmy, I can see the reason why your teacher said that, but what was the meaning behind it? Can everyone speak in tongues? Privately, towards God in prayer, because this language is a language you will not understand. Publically? Paul says that the gift of tongues is for unbelievers to believe (specifically what happened in Acts 2) in that they know who the Lord is and how awesome He is. I've been torn about this subject for some time now, seeing uneducated people sprout gibberish and passing it off as speaking in tongues...during a church service. Paul specifically warns against that, saying that there should be someone there to interpret for the edification of the church. Without that interpretation for the congregation, it's wrong and it's very disruptive. I knew a preacher who spent an entire church service about this subject, going on about the wrong ways and how people were incorrect in speaking tongues (five people in a circle speaking loudly is what I would consider "incorrect") and then he proceeded to speak in tongues at the end of the service, without an interpreter. Was he speaking Old English Greek? Probably, but I don't think he knew what he was speaking. Anyway, if he was speaking in tongues, he couldn't interpret for himself (no man can, actually, which is the point of the interpreter) and it was just nonsense, like a clashing symbol. Not everyone has the gift of tongues, and to say said person isn't filled with the Holy Spirit blatently denies all of the other times in Acts alone that the apostles were filled with the Spirit and performed miricles, while speaking the same language (Acts 4, for example). |
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3 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | gracefull | 75901 | ||
1 Corinthians 14:13-14 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he interpret. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. One is to pray for the understanding of their prayer language. Your statement "..seeing uneducated people spout gibberish..." brings two points to mind... 1. The language is Holy Spirit given, one does not need an education...Why would you say such a thing? 2. How do you know it is gibberish? It could very well be their prayer language and in their spiritual immaturity don't understand how to speak quietly to God. One other point, I have heard (and spoken through) the gift of tongues and the interpretation did not come forth. When God unctions a prophetic utterance there is always an interpreter, however for a variety of reasons the interpreter may not obey. Points to pray about... God bless |
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4 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | KBurgee | 75903 | ||
What's up gracefull, and thanks for responding. When I say the uneducated sprouting gibberish, I'm not attacking the Word of God. I'm saying that the speaking of tongues, in some cases, can be forced. I'll explain: I've seen what the original poster is talking about, as far as saying that if you don't speak in tongues, you're not Holy Spirit-filled. One particular case involved that same circle of people I hinted at before, speaking in a language that was foreign to them, responding to each other in that same language, almost snapping back and forth at each other to elicit a response. I'm not attacking the Holy Spirit; I'd be foolish to do that, and that's not what I'm talking about. Rather, I'm saying that the conditions for speaking in tongues outlined in 1 Corinthians were not met, and the result was detrimental to the edification of the church and was just noise. When the pastor spends much time pointing out the guidelines and pointing out how people are wrong, and proceeds to do the exact same thing he lambasted people for, outside of the requirements set forth by the Lord (and to a much lesser degree, himself), it's strange. I do believe you when you say in certain circumstances an interpreter may not step up to the plate. But I also believe that the Holy Spirit is orderly, and does not and can not do anything to the detriment of the church. When I also say uneducated, I mean in terms of the Bible. Maybe uneducated is a bit of a strong word (I'll agree to use immature), because I've seen it happen consistenly with some educated people. It's one thing to sit in service, have the Holy Spirit fill within you, and be able to speak in tongues (with interpretation). It's quite another when the purpose of speaking and shouting these tongues aloud is not for the edification of the church, but because someone has told you that if you don't speak in tongues then you're not "Spirit filled". In these cases, people try to force the gift that may not even be present in that person, moreso edifying the gifts than edifying the Giver. My post wasn't meant to be mean spirited or rude. But I've seen people attempt to force it out of people for "their own sakes". It's one thing if the Lord reveals to a pastor or someone that a specific person has the gift and needs to be encouraged a bit to use it, in prayer and for the edification of the church. And it's another when it comes down to "well, you don't have that gift so I'm A)better than you and B)I'm more Spirit filled than you". Gracefull, I'm interested to know - when you spoke, did you speak in public? Or privately? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything. |
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5 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | gracefull | 75995 | ||
Thank for your clarification. Our culture in America is often one of arrogance through 'much learning'. To clarify the statement 'uneducated' by using the term spiritually immature. Also keep in mind that the GIFT of tongues (prophetic message from the Holy Spirit to be followed by interpretation in the congregation) is not the same thing as tongues to be used in private worship and prayer. Although I do not take the position that to be filled with the Spirit one MUST speak in tongues, I rather take the position that to be filled with the Spirit one can speak in tongues (prayer language available to all). My position is from the opposite side of the same coin...If one IS Spirit filled they CAN speak in tongues, pray in the Spirit between them and God, and as Paul said should ask for the interpretation. From this positive perspective, why would one reject this precious gift? Tongues as with anything else we receive from God must be received by faith..faith denoting belief AND action. I think this is the "try to force the gift" idea. Often full gospel believers will try to help those seeking to understand that although the ability to speak in tongues is present becuase the Holy Spirit is present, they must speak, they must step out by faith ant their vocal cords and brain is involved. You asked if I spoke in public...Yes. When I was first 'filed with the Spirit and spoke in tongues' I was taught properly in praying quietly or in my prayer closet. About 10 years later the Lord impressed that He had given me the GIFT of tongues, and when the Holy spirit desires to speak the 'unction' is different. Since this is 'experience' and not scripture, it is inappropriate for this forum. If you would like to continue a conversation elsewhere, let me know. God bless |
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6 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | KBurgee | 76003 | ||
Hey gracefull, thanks for the reply. I know prayer language is different from the language that needs to be intepreted for the edification of the church (since the prayer language is a language that only God can understand), but some people's spiritual immaturity (or misguidance) takes them outside of the box, so to say. I'm not bashing anyone here or trying to take a "holier-than-thou" attitude. I know that all of us, including yours truly, are spiritually immature in a lot of ways. My problem just comes from the school of thought that we NEED to be able to publically speak in tongues to consider ourselves Spirit filled, or even saved (now, THAT'S another discussion that I'd like to share with you). I'm very interested in knowing about your experience. Check out my profile. I hope to hear from you soon. | ||||||