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1 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | retxar | 25386 | ||
Actually there is no scripture evidence I know of that proves tongues are known earthly languages. Acts2 is the only place in scripture were tongues were actually interpreted, so that may have been a miracle of hearing as well as speaking, because not all understood. Used according to scriptural guidelines, tongues is a gift that would be a mistake for any believer to scoff at, consider useless, or try to discredit those that possessed. retxar |
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2 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | Bob Y. | 25752 | ||
Retxar, there is also no scripture evidence that proves it is not an earthly language. According to Strongs it is "the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations" I'm not critizing those who use it as an aid to their prayers. I do critizes those who claim to other believers that because they do use it in that way they are more "filled" with the Holy Spirit than their counterparts telling them that it is a requirement to being filled with the Spirit. This is nonsense! It is also most definately against Scripture and is being used for self exaltation. I have Christian brothers and sisters that I love very much that practice tongues in this way but never claim it is a requirement for being filled or more filled with the Spirit. 1Cr 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 1Cr 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether [we be] Jews or Gentiles, whether [we be] bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Rejoice in our Lord, Bob |
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3 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | retxar | 25762 | ||
Grace and Peace Bob Please understand what I was saying. I’m not saying tongues cannot be an earthly language, I’m just saying there is plenty of scriptural evidence that indicate it is not a known language, or at least not always (1Co 13:1. 1Co 14:2,1Co 14:14-19). If I go by the Strongs definition, as you have presented, I would agree that defines tongues as a known language, but I can’t see any scripture that supports that view. Also, how could the gift of interpretation be a Spiritual gift if the ones interpreting were interpreting a known language? That would seem to be a natural gift obtained from study, not a supernatural gift given by the Holy Spirit. The problem most people have with tongues is misunderstanding (on both sides). The gift of tongues is unlike other Spiritual gifts in the fact that it is a gift to strengthen the individual believer instead of edifying the church. Some try to make this out to be wrong. The opposition usually comes from other believers who try to discredit them, along with God’s gift. If the gift is used outside scriptural guidelines, it creates strife fueled by a have / have-not attitude. I won’t defend speaking in tongues as a requirement for evidence of being filled with the Holy Spirit. I will say that it does happen, and is supported by scriptural example (Acts 2:4, 10:46, 19:6), tho never presented as a requirement. I want all the gifts God wants for me to have! I praise Jesus He gave the gift of tongues! I would pray that all believers would seek all the Spiritual gifts God has for them, and not cull any, but whoever gets a “look what God gave me and not you” attitude, is sinning. 1Cor 12:11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. Thanks bro, retxar |
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4 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | Bob Y. | 25890 | ||
Retxar, I agree with you completely. I believe your first scriptural referance 1Co 13:1 says it. Does it matter whether we speak languages of men or of angels, if we don't have love are we not just a noisy gong? Those who show the attitude of “look what God gave me and not you” are not displaying an attitude of love and concern for fellow believers For every scripture reference concerning tongues there are arguments for both views, but what is important is that we encourage people to believe and grow in Jesus, not trying to falsley make them feel that their relationship with Him is in some way substandard because they are not showing one gift or another. Thank you for your responses, brother. Grace and piece to you, also. Bob |
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5 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | KBurgee | 75887 | ||
Bob and retxar, I've enjoyed your conversations on this subject. Kimmy, I can see the reason why your teacher said that, but what was the meaning behind it? Can everyone speak in tongues? Privately, towards God in prayer, because this language is a language you will not understand. Publically? Paul says that the gift of tongues is for unbelievers to believe (specifically what happened in Acts 2) in that they know who the Lord is and how awesome He is. I've been torn about this subject for some time now, seeing uneducated people sprout gibberish and passing it off as speaking in tongues...during a church service. Paul specifically warns against that, saying that there should be someone there to interpret for the edification of the church. Without that interpretation for the congregation, it's wrong and it's very disruptive. I knew a preacher who spent an entire church service about this subject, going on about the wrong ways and how people were incorrect in speaking tongues (five people in a circle speaking loudly is what I would consider "incorrect") and then he proceeded to speak in tongues at the end of the service, without an interpreter. Was he speaking Old English Greek? Probably, but I don't think he knew what he was speaking. Anyway, if he was speaking in tongues, he couldn't interpret for himself (no man can, actually, which is the point of the interpreter) and it was just nonsense, like a clashing symbol. Not everyone has the gift of tongues, and to say said person isn't filled with the Holy Spirit blatently denies all of the other times in Acts alone that the apostles were filled with the Spirit and performed miricles, while speaking the same language (Acts 4, for example). |
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6 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | gracefull | 75901 | ||
1 Corinthians 14:13-14 Wherefore let him that speaketh in an unknown tongue pray that he interpret. For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful. One is to pray for the understanding of their prayer language. Your statement "..seeing uneducated people spout gibberish..." brings two points to mind... 1. The language is Holy Spirit given, one does not need an education...Why would you say such a thing? 2. How do you know it is gibberish? It could very well be their prayer language and in their spiritual immaturity don't understand how to speak quietly to God. One other point, I have heard (and spoken through) the gift of tongues and the interpretation did not come forth. When God unctions a prophetic utterance there is always an interpreter, however for a variety of reasons the interpreter may not obey. Points to pray about... God bless |
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7 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | KBurgee | 75903 | ||
What's up gracefull, and thanks for responding. When I say the uneducated sprouting gibberish, I'm not attacking the Word of God. I'm saying that the speaking of tongues, in some cases, can be forced. I'll explain: I've seen what the original poster is talking about, as far as saying that if you don't speak in tongues, you're not Holy Spirit-filled. One particular case involved that same circle of people I hinted at before, speaking in a language that was foreign to them, responding to each other in that same language, almost snapping back and forth at each other to elicit a response. I'm not attacking the Holy Spirit; I'd be foolish to do that, and that's not what I'm talking about. Rather, I'm saying that the conditions for speaking in tongues outlined in 1 Corinthians were not met, and the result was detrimental to the edification of the church and was just noise. When the pastor spends much time pointing out the guidelines and pointing out how people are wrong, and proceeds to do the exact same thing he lambasted people for, outside of the requirements set forth by the Lord (and to a much lesser degree, himself), it's strange. I do believe you when you say in certain circumstances an interpreter may not step up to the plate. But I also believe that the Holy Spirit is orderly, and does not and can not do anything to the detriment of the church. When I also say uneducated, I mean in terms of the Bible. Maybe uneducated is a bit of a strong word (I'll agree to use immature), because I've seen it happen consistenly with some educated people. It's one thing to sit in service, have the Holy Spirit fill within you, and be able to speak in tongues (with interpretation). It's quite another when the purpose of speaking and shouting these tongues aloud is not for the edification of the church, but because someone has told you that if you don't speak in tongues then you're not "Spirit filled". In these cases, people try to force the gift that may not even be present in that person, moreso edifying the gifts than edifying the Giver. My post wasn't meant to be mean spirited or rude. But I've seen people attempt to force it out of people for "their own sakes". It's one thing if the Lord reveals to a pastor or someone that a specific person has the gift and needs to be encouraged a bit to use it, in prayer and for the edification of the church. And it's another when it comes down to "well, you don't have that gift so I'm A)better than you and B)I'm more Spirit filled than you". Gracefull, I'm interested to know - when you spoke, did you speak in public? Or privately? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or anything. |
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8 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | gracefull | 75995 | ||
Thank for your clarification. Our culture in America is often one of arrogance through 'much learning'. To clarify the statement 'uneducated' by using the term spiritually immature. Also keep in mind that the GIFT of tongues (prophetic message from the Holy Spirit to be followed by interpretation in the congregation) is not the same thing as tongues to be used in private worship and prayer. Although I do not take the position that to be filled with the Spirit one MUST speak in tongues, I rather take the position that to be filled with the Spirit one can speak in tongues (prayer language available to all). My position is from the opposite side of the same coin...If one IS Spirit filled they CAN speak in tongues, pray in the Spirit between them and God, and as Paul said should ask for the interpretation. From this positive perspective, why would one reject this precious gift? Tongues as with anything else we receive from God must be received by faith..faith denoting belief AND action. I think this is the "try to force the gift" idea. Often full gospel believers will try to help those seeking to understand that although the ability to speak in tongues is present becuase the Holy Spirit is present, they must speak, they must step out by faith ant their vocal cords and brain is involved. You asked if I spoke in public...Yes. When I was first 'filed with the Spirit and spoke in tongues' I was taught properly in praying quietly or in my prayer closet. About 10 years later the Lord impressed that He had given me the GIFT of tongues, and when the Holy spirit desires to speak the 'unction' is different. Since this is 'experience' and not scripture, it is inappropriate for this forum. If you would like to continue a conversation elsewhere, let me know. God bless |
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9 | Speaking in tongues? | 1 Corinthians | KBurgee | 76003 | ||
Hey gracefull, thanks for the reply. I know prayer language is different from the language that needs to be intepreted for the edification of the church (since the prayer language is a language that only God can understand), but some people's spiritual immaturity (or misguidance) takes them outside of the box, so to say. I'm not bashing anyone here or trying to take a "holier-than-thou" attitude. I know that all of us, including yours truly, are spiritually immature in a lot of ways. My problem just comes from the school of thought that we NEED to be able to publically speak in tongues to consider ourselves Spirit filled, or even saved (now, THAT'S another discussion that I'd like to share with you). I'm very interested in knowing about your experience. Check out my profile. I hope to hear from you soon. | ||||||