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1 | Holy Spirit, holy spirit, or both? | 1 Corinthians | Jeff12 | 48881 | ||
I use the capitalized "H" and "S" for God who is Holy and who is Spirit. The lowercase "h" and "s" are for the holy spirit He gave to us when we first believed (born again). The KJV does it this way but sometimes they are not consistent. From John 16:13 we can derive that the holy spirit is a "connection" so to speak. "But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come." (NIV) It gets its information from God and relays it to us. This "holy spirit" given by God is synonymous with many things Scripturally: truth, power. You might take a look at the word "spirit" in the concordance and see what you come up with. The word spirit is used of devil spirits too but I think you'll see the difference real quick. Essentially we need to know how "our" holy spirit works in us and how we can tap into its power. You can read through out the Bible where the spirit of God worked in His people but that doesn't mean the spirit will work the same way in us. For example, with me it's usually through feeling but at rare times it's a "still small voice" but I'm not going to put this spirit in a box about how it's going to work in me. That's God's job. Not mine. This holy spirit field is one of the most mis-understood aspects of the Scriptures. We have people saying that the manifestations of the spirit listed in I Cor 12:8 - 10 died with the Apostles (original) and yet we have people speaking in tongues today. So first we need the correct doctrine, know from the Bible how it worked in others, and then learn how it works in us. |
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2 | Holy Spirit, holy spirit, or both? | 1 Corinthians | Hank | 49450 | ||
Jeff12. the Bible does not support any teaching that we have our "own" (lower case) holy spirit that somehow is unique to each person. It teaches that there is one and only one Holy Spirit, the third person of the Triunity. It is He who indwells in the regenerate believer from the moment of regeneration. There is no such entity as a "tailor-made" individualized holy spirit living in anyone. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Holy Spirit, holy spirit, or both? | 1 Corinthians | Jeff12 | 49513 | ||
Since this forum does not give my post and will not give yours I will post yours with my answer. "the Bible does not support any teaching that we have our "own" (lower case) holy spirit that somehow is unique to each person. It teaches that there is one and only one Holy Spirit, the third person of the Triunity. It is He who indwells in the regenerate believer from the moment of regeneration. There is no such entity as a "tailor-made" individualized holy spirit living in anyone. --Hank" John 16:13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. (NIV) So you're saying the Holy Spirit or holy spirit is stupid? The verse says "he will speak only what he hears"? If the Holy Spirit or holy spirit is God then where is this spirit getting what he hears from? A fourth God? |
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4 | Holy Spirit, holy spirit, or both? | 1 Corinthians | Reformer Joe | 49520 | ||
Please re-read my response to your original post, Jeff (5/20/02 8:30 p.m.) regarding your error in saying that there are "two" Holy Spirits. It is illiogical to conclude that the Holy Spirit is "stupid" (not to mention blasphemous to do so) because the Holy Spirit acts not on His own initiative, but that of the Father. Jesus did the same thing during His earthly ministry. Does that make Him stupid? 'Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.' --John 5:19 "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." --John 5:30 'Jesus *said to them, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work."' --John 4:34 You wrote: "If the Holy Spirit or holy spirit is God then where is this spirit getting what he hears from? A fourth God?" I don't know what you mean by "a fourth God." Christianity holds that there is only one God. If the Holy Spirit is God (and He is), he "gets what he hears" from God the Father. Another passage which shows that God is three Persons, in one Being. --Joe! |
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5 | Holy Spirit, holy spirit, or both? | 1 Corinthians | Jeff12 | 49532 | ||
You wrote: Please re-read my response to your original post, Jeff (5/20/02 8:30 p.m.) regarding your error in saying that there are "two" Holy Spirits. It is illiogical to conclude that the Holy Spirit is "stupid" (not to mention blasphemous to do so) because the Holy Spirit acts not on His own initiative, but that of the Father. Jesus did the same thing during His earthly ministry. Does that make Him stupid? 'Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, unless it is something He sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.' --John 5:19 "I can do nothing on My own initiative. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me." --John 5:30 'Jesus *said to them, "My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work."' --John 4:34 Thank you! You just wrote the finest argrument against the theology of the Trinity. My belief is that there 1 God, who is Holy and who is Spirit and had a son, Jesus Christ, and at varying times put His spirit either upon man or in man to do His will. If Jesus Christ looked to God then he is not equal to God therefore he is not God. By your own post you have made Jesus Christ not equal to God. There goes the trinity! I respect your God given right to believe as you do however much I disagree with it. But if you belive in Jesus Christ (which I think you do), then we are brothers. Then we have a right to fight over whatever we want! Let God Almighty who has put all things subject to Jesus Christ do the judging. Shall we agree to disagree? |
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6 | Holy Spirit, holy spirit, or both? | 1 Corinthians | Reformer Joe | 49534 | ||
"Thank you! You just wrote the finest argrument against the theology of the Trinity. My belief is that there 1 God, who is Holy and who is Spirit and had a son, Jesus Christ, and at varying times put His spirit either upon man or in man to do His will. If Jesus Christ looked to God then he is not equal to God therefore he is not God. By your own post you have made Jesus Christ not equal to God. There goes the trinity!" Nice try, but no cigar. The second Person of the Trinity submitting to the first Person of the Trinity does not mean that they are not both one God. There is relationship within the Godhead. No Trinitarian is going to deny that, but readily and forcefully affirm it. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit never have acted independently of one another, and they have always had differing roles within the Godhead. Your oversimplification based on one verse does not sweep the Trinitarian doctrine out the door, sorry. You wrote: "But if you belive in Jesus Christ (which I think you do), then we are brothers." Which Jesus Christ are you talking about? The archangel Michael? The spirit brother of Lucifer? The Jewish "ascended master"? The failed political revolutionary? The virgin-born prophet of Islam? The guru who spent his "lost years" in India? Or very God of very God, the second Person of the Trinity who became flesh to die for the sins of His people? Simply saying, "I believe in Jesus Christ" is not enough. We have to believe in the Jesus Christ who actually exists. If you deny the deity of Christ, then we are not brothers. --Joe! P.S. You still have not responded to my earlier post which clearly shows that there is no "Holy Spirit"/"holy spirit" disctinction. Do you just ignore things which do not harmonize with your pre-conceived views? |
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7 | Holy Spirit, holy spirit, or both? | 1 Corinthians | Jeff12 | 49568 | ||
I read your post. | ||||||