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1 | Death penalty Biblical? | Romans | Grace460 | 197153 | ||
Is the death penalty Biblical? Are there any Scriptures that address the death penalty? | ||||||
2 | Death penalty Biblical? | Romans | JulieOwl1 | 197154 | ||
5 Rom 12:19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord. Never take it into your own hands, because clearly we are to leave it up to God. |
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3 | Death penalty Biblical? | Romans | azurelaw | 197162 | ||
Dear Julie, I see little relevance of this verse speaking against the issue of death penalty. The context of Rom 12 talks about the behaviour of saints and urge us to love one another in Christ unity; encourage believers on how to deal with tribulation and persecution. Read furhter to Chapter 13, Paul said "Every person is to be in subjection to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those which exist are established by God." (v 1) and in v4 "for it is a minister of God to you for good. But if you do what is evil, be afraid; for it does not bear the sword for nothing; for it is a minister of God, an avenger who brings wrath on the one who practices evil." clearly indicates the role of the governing authorities. Please read the case of Ananias and his wife Sapphira (Act 5) and Jesus' quote in Mat 15:4 that it does not support the view that death penalty being unbiblical. Shalom Azure |
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4 | Death penalty Biblical? | Romans | JulieOwl1 | 197176 | ||
Luke 23:34 Father, forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing. Are we wise when we put to death? Rom 12:16 Be of the same mind toward one another; do not be haughty in mind, but associate with the lowly. Do not be wise in your own estimation. The death penalty is a way to take our anger out on someone, vengeance. This is an eye for an eye was the old law. Rom 12:17 Never pay back evil for evil to anyone. Respect what is right in the sight of all men. If you have the opportunity to hurt someone Choose peace instead. Rom 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, be at peace with all men. Capitol PunishMent Not Capitol Peace Harmony love forgiveness understanding Justice. Rom 12:19 Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord. God does not want us to do the repaying ourselves. Matt 5:21 "the ancients were told, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT MURDER' and 'Whoever commits murder shall be liable to the court. But I say everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty, 'You good-for-nothing,' shall be guilty before the supreme court Hell comes to those who sin; it is not up to us to decide who goes to hell. Rom 12:20 "BUT IF YOUR ENEMY IS HUNGRY, FEED HIM, AND IF HE IS THIRSTY, GIVE HIM A DRINK In vengeance, our minds have been overtaken by evil. God wants us to love our enemies. Rom 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. There is no authority except from God. Does God really say here that all people in authority absolutely know what they are doing? Do you know that each human being is beloved by God? He is Omnipotent, that is- All Powerful. This does not mean there exists other little authorities here and there. He is the One Authority there is. This is what Paul was saying; the power that there is. If you think gods rule over you have given them your power. No one rules over us but the One God. Jesus said the ruler of the WORLD is the Devil. Pharaoh would have had power over the Israelites to keep them in Egypt. He was a governing authority who harmed the Israelites. God brought them out so that they could seek and find a land of prosperity. God does not want us to be slaves of evil authorities. All authorities are not good for us. Did Paul kill Aanaias? or did he die out of shame? God is all about compassion and salvation of us from our sin. He would not have us suffer for our sin, but would save us. Matt 12:7 -I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE, you would not have condemned the innocent. Luke 6:37 Do not judge, and you will not be judged; and do not condemn, and you will not be condemned; pardon, and you will be pardoned. Rom 2:1 Therefore you have no excuse, everyone of you who passes judgment, for in that which you judge another, you condemn yourself John 8:4 Teacher, this woman has been caught in adultery John 8:5 Now in the Law Moses commanded us to stone such women; what then do You say? John 8:6 But Jesus stooped down and with His finger wrote on the ground. He straightened up, and said to them, He who is without sin among you, let him be the first to throw a stone at her. When they heard it, they began to go out one by one, beginning with the older ones, and He was left alone, and the woman, where she was, in the center of the court. Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you? She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more. John 8:15 YOU JUDGE ACCORDING TO THE FLESH; I am not judging anyone. John 8:16 But even if I do judge, MY JUDGMENT IS TRUE; for I AM NOT ALONE IN IT, but I and the Father who sent Me. What makes us think we know everything, when Jesus here is saying he needs the Father's help? John 5:30 "I can do NOTHING on My own initiative. As I HEAR, I judge; and My judgment is just, because I do not seek My OWN will, but the WILL OF HIM WHO SENT ME. The Father would forgive everyone their sins. Jesus is not trying to teach us what the rules of the world are. We know. But the Father thinks differently and loves us. Is 55:8 For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways, declares the LORD. 8 Is 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways And My thoughts than your thoughts. It is the Father's will, not ours. Not the world's. Do you think Jesus believed in the death penalty? When Jesus was on the cross he told the thief that was hanging next to him -This day you shall see heaven. Jesus forgave EVERYONE. He wants us to do the same. |
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5 | Death penalty Biblical? | Romans | azurelaw | 197178 | ||
Dear Julie, I understand this topic is highly controversial and I would refrain myself from any debate. You have quoted many verses however, we have to be careful not to take the scripture out of its context to fit our opinion. I cannot speak for or against capital punishment myself for I am truly a human with all kinds of weaknesses. (If possible, how I love to see there is no need of capital punishment at all.) I rather seek what is being said in the scripture and I believe the below article does a much better job than I in concern with the issue. http://www.gotquestions.org/death-penalty.html Shalom Azure |
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6 | Death penalty Biblical? | Romans | JulieOwl1 | 197187 | ||
I don't think it is wrong to apply God's word to the issues in our lives. If this is taking truth too far, then what use can the bible be to anyone? How can it ever help us if we say "that applied to the Israelites, that applies to the woman caught in adultery only, and can't be applied today? The whole matter is, what greater reference is there to back up your opinion than God's word? I don't see this as a website in which it is off limits to do this. This is not a judicial court. This website is about the bible. Don't we all believe in jesus' Word? How is it wrong to point to backup from the bible? This website asks me to do so, before I submit the answer. The very thing is, if we don't speak for what the bible says, we won't get anywhere. -I cannot speak for or against capital punishment myself for I am truly a human with all kinds of weaknesses.- I did not say that is WRONG to speak against horrific acts. I said that the bible says we cannot JUDGE OTHERS because we don't have that kind of information. That is all I said. (If possible, how I love to see there is no need of capital punishment at all.) There are mysteries which, unfortunately, I don't know all the quotes to, but believe me, there are mysteries of God that we cannot understand with our intellect- but that does not make it not so. Jesus says there is no one righteous, not one. We live in the world of flesh. This is not taking any truth out of these statements, because what they mean is we are not to trust the world's ways. These statements completely apply to what we are talking about. That is not an opinion. That is what the bible is about. Because we are flesh, we want to kill, it's natural. Just look at the bible and look at history. I am not making this up. Love your neighbor. Do not kill. How am I taking what the bible says out of context? The bible did not actually mean only the person living in the house nextdoor to you, you know. So if this is taking the the word out of context, who can answer anything by looking at the bible? I am not reading in to things. The bible said love your enemy. When we bring someone to the chair, it is because we are hating him. I do not see how applying the commandments to a quandry could be any easier than this. It is clear cut. Their is no discussion. The answer is already given. Shalom |
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7 | Death penalty Biblical? | Romans | Val | 197202 | ||
You thinking is not logical. Why not have justice for the one who has been murdered rather than letting the murderer go free so that he may go on and kill again and again. The bible clearly says Thou shall not kill. When someone breaks that commandment there are consequences to their actions. The death penalty is used for the most terrible crimes. You can forgive them all you want but they have forfeited their right to live in society. The wages of sin is death. Death to a relationship, death to marriage, death to a murderer. If they repent, the Lord said He will forgive them but there are consequences they must face in this life. Do a word study on justice. It is most enlightening. | ||||||
8 | Death penalty Biblical? | Romans | JulieOwl1 | 197235 | ||
Jesus is only love, only means love, and means no harm to anyone. The wages of sin is death. The bible is referring not to death caused by someone killing us, but death in our hearts caused by pain and suffering which are the fruits of sin. This fruiting of sin within the heart is the death that the bible is speaking of, not physical death. But is it ever our right to kill someone else because we want to get revenge? What part of "Love thy Enemy" don't you understand? The bible clearly says Thou shall not kill. When someone breaks that commandment there are consequences to their actions. also, the bible says clearly never take vengeance, for vengeance is mine, sayeth the lord. What do you think that means? Does this give us permission to go and do likewise when someone kills? Why do we think that killing is justified, in any way? Because we want to take revenge, and we don't trust that God is going to take care of it. It is our huge responsibility to love whoever hurts us. Whoever hangs us on the cross. It is hard to do, and it doesn't feel right, and all we want to do is hurt them back, but this is the lust of the flesh. We lust, in our anger to get revenge. In doing so, WE ARE THE ONE WHO IS SINNING. I am not saying it is not natural. i am not saying it is not what we aretaught to do in If God is the God of the Bible- Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Omniloving- so kind as to forgive you and I of our sins, and he tells us to love others because that's what he wants us to do, who are we to say, "they must die and we are right to kill them for they don't deserve life"? I personally struggle daily to forgive myself for making simple mistakes, such as eating too much, or thinking self-debasing thoughts. But when I remember God's love for me, and that he wants me to love myself, I stop hating myself and thinking shame-based thoughts. Then I feel release from my own self judgment, and I feel freed, almost as if I have been freed from Hell. The Lord loves each one dearly. When He punishes us, it is not truly out of revenge, but it is done out of a parent's love, so that we will get tired of our sins and the fruit they bear, and turn to worship God. God says His punishment is up to Him, not to us. Lev 19:18 'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD. Deut 32:41 If I sharpen My flashing sword, And My hand takes hold on justice, I will render vengeance on My adversaries, And I will repay those who hate Me. There is a big difference between protecting the world from murderers for our own safety and punishing them. We can protect ourselves and forgive the other and live free and have justice. This is the definition of justice I found, and I want to say, That God is the Jury not us. Justice 1. fairness fairness or reasonableness, especially in the way people are treated or decisions are made 2. law application of law the legal system or the act of applying or upholding the law 3. law validity validity in law 4. good reason sound or good reason 5. judge a judge, especially of a higher court It is not a valid law to kill those who kill, eye for eye, tooth for tooth, for this is the old law of the old testament that Jesus came to free us from. Matt 5:38 You have heard that it was said, AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH. Matt 5:39 But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. It is not a good reason to kill someone because they have killed. We must have judges, and must have justice. But God is both. Not us. We must pray and ask God for the grace to not desire vengeance, but rather seek forgiveness. Has killing another ever solved anything? has hating someone ever brought peace, love, and joy? To be fair is to treat others as the children of god, for that is what they are. Did Jesus come to save the saints, forgive the holy, lift up those who were alive, release those who were free in their hearts, give sight to the seeing, and cure the healthy? Jesus hightailed to the sinner's door! Why? To bring love, messages of God's love, forgiveness, and salvation from sin. Jesus was Christ, the Son of god, I believe. Jesus treated eveyone as the children of God, worthy of God's fairness, God's salvation, God's saving love. Jesus would never preach the law of death to any one of us. His law is one of forgiveness, love, trust in God, and salvation. It is still considered killing when we kill because they killed us. Killing is always wrong. Do you want other's death on your heart? Yet, we are commanded never to kill. That does not mean sometimes, but all of the time. The one who wrote do not kill is the judge, he has the court, he is the justice. We cannot handle such things, we are mere humans. we can't know another's heart. |
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9 | Death penalty Biblical? | Romans | azurelaw | 197238 | ||
Original question is : Is the death penalty Biblical? NOT Is death penalty right? Nor what's our OPINION or FEELING on death penalty? Please stick to what scripture said in both OT and NT (i.e. the whole Bible). God holds the ultimate sovereignty and His willful delegation of such authority as in Roman Ch 13. Shalom Azure |
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10 | Death penalty Biblical? | Romans | JulieOwl1 | 197247 | ||
I apologize, I am new at writing 'arguments'. I beleive I have found the answer. Matt 9:17 "Nor do people put new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wineskins burst, and the wine pours out and the wineskins are ruined; but they put new wine into fresh wineskins, and both are preserved." 6 Mark 2:22 "No one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the wine will burst the skins, and the wine is lost and the skins as well; but one puts new wine into fresh wineskins." 7 Luke 5:37 "And no one puts new wine into old wineskins; otherwise the new wine will burst the skins and it will be spilled out, and the skins will be ruined. 8 Luke 5:38 "But new wine must be put into fresh wineskins. The Old Testament laws are not to be mixed with the new tetament laws, or else the skin will break, and nothing will work. The old Testament was the law of death and the new testament the law of life. In the early days, people were put to death for adultery, for going against their parents and being stupid, or for getting married saying you were a virgin, and your'e not. If your bull killed someone, you were put to death. This is in Leviticus and Exodus. I have not searched anywhere else. The two parts of the bible represent 2 seperate beliefs, or covenants. One brings death, the other life. If the new covenant brings life, why demand that what it says must be supported in the old covenant of death? Jesus came to release us from the bondage to the old law, which results in death. We are told to forgive sinners in the new covenant, but, in the old, we are told to kill sinners. How can we expect to answer wether or not one should kill sinners, if we must put our faith in both the old covenant and the new one? Jesus clearly set a new law, a new standard, and taught that we are to follow him. The old covenant is defunct. We cannot put the new in the old. So we want to answer wether or not there should still be a death penalty, but the rule is we have to agree with both the old teachings and the new teachings. The bag will split. If we believe in Jesus' teachings, we cannot also hope that Moses agrees we shouldn't kill sinners. Moses has always thought sinners should die. No matter how many times we pick up the bible, Moses is going to say, "so and so should be put to death". It's not going to change. Neither will Jesus' teachings. Moses would say we need to kill someone if their ox got out and killed someone. Moses said eveyone who practices witchcraft needs to be killed. Moses said If a son is not listening to his parents and being stubborn, drinking and such, (like teenagers often do) they should bring him to be killed. This is in Leviticus. Jesus is not ever going to agree with Moses, and Moses will always be for capital punishment. So if you want both salvation and death, you have it, right in the bible. That is not to say that you can actually have both; so you might as well stop asking for an agreement in the matter. Jesus came to change things. Otherwise, he would not have come at all. As an aside, I am reading the book of Genesis right now and I am getting a lot from it. When I say it is the law of death, I am referring to that no one is righteous, and no one can therefore succeed in being accepted by God under the first covenant; but will feel guilt because they can't be righteous and perfect. All would be put to death under the first covenant. I am new to this, and this is just my understanding; I am not claiming that I am right. (I cannot say I know this to be true, because I have not taken the time to read the whole bible, and besides, I am still learning. But I will say what I think anyway. There are verses to back this up, but I am too tired right now to do it.) |
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