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1 | hoyy spirit bap. evidence tounges? | Acts | userdoe220 | 9813 | ||
The reason I feel they are synonomous is the events that surround the five instances are unique and the same. Might want to start with John's statement about the one who is to come who will "Baptize you in the Holy Spirit and Fire." Acts 2:4-6; Acts 8:1-22 (Does not mention tongues, but something very micraculous took place when the apostles, after they were saved, layed hands on them to recieve the "gift" of the Holy Spirit. What happened? Maybe tongues, maybe some other manifestation. don't know. But I do know it was after their salvation expereince). Acts 9:11 (Saul's conversion accompanied his Infilling with the Holy Spirit. Does not record tongues, but from 1 Cor 12-14 we know Paul regularly exercised this gift in his personal life. Could he have received this gift at this time? Maybe. The Bible does not tell us.) Acts 10:44-50 (How did Peter know they received the Baptism in the Holy Ghost? "For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God" verse 46. Acts 11: 15-18. (How do I know that Cornelious' expereince was the Baptism in the Holy Ghost? Peter Qoutes John the Baptist in verse 16. He is the one that equates the expereince to Spirit Baptism. Notice in Acts 10 he does not use the Term "Baptism in the Holy Spirit", but "Filling!" This shows that in Luke's mind these two events were synonomous. Notice he also refers to this expereince as the "gift of the Holy Ghost". Now, we have three terms each used to describe an expereince that Pentecostals-charismatics-Peter refers to as the Baptism in the Holy Ghost.) Acts 19:1-10 (notice they were saved first and than Paul "layed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit Descended and they spoke in tongues and prophesied." Unless you believe that salvation must be given through the laying on of hands,this event must be post-conversion. I am not saying that every event (Paul's conversion for example) just nails down the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is subsequent to Salvation. But I hope you see that this is not some made-up idea with no support in scripture, but was the practice in the early N.T. church. |
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2 | hoyy spirit bap. evidence tounges? | Acts | Makarios | 9842 | ||
Dear schwartzkm, The events may be similar, but I agree with JVH0212's earlier post that the "Baptism" of the Holy Spirit is very different from "being filled with the Holy Spirit." Each point that JVH0212 made was based upon sound reasoning, and that premise being upheld in Scripture, even in the very same verses that you have cited. JVH0212 also challenged us to look at a reliable resource such as Vine's Expository Dictionary, to further dig into where the meanings of 'baptism' and 'filling' differ. I, for one, have found a great contrast in each of these words. Nolan |
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3 | hoyy spirit bap. evidence tounges? | Acts | userdoe220 | 9857 | ||
Do you know what synonomouse means? When two different words share the same or similar meaning. You can't always go to Vines, just like we can't always go to Webster, to get a meaning of a word. Luke used the term "filling" and "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" to refer to the same event--Cornelius's salvation. If they were not the same, Luke would not have used that term It is almost like the argument of spirit soul. Each word (In Vines) has a different meaning or definition. However, there are some in Christianity that feel these terms are synonomouos. No, Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not conversion. The book of Acts CLEARLY states that this expereince comes after salvation. |
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4 | hoyy spirit bap. evidence tounges? | Acts | Makarios | 9864 | ||
I believe that these terms are not synonymous. I am in agreement with what JVH0212 previously stated: "Let me begin by saying there are three things to keep in mind here: 1) My main point is: There is ONE baptism, but MANY fillings. 2) Because the Bible itself makes a distinction between "baptized by the Holy Spirit" and "filled with the Holy Spirit", we too must make a distinction between the two terms. Baptized and filled do not both mean the same thing. Filled is not just another way of saying baptized. 3) We don't prove the Bible by experience. Instead, we prove experience by the Bible. 1 Cor 12:13 NASB For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free, and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. The Bible in 1 Cor 12:13 says: "By one Spirit we were all baptized." Notice that this verse, in contrast with Acts 2:4, DOES use both Spirit and baptized in one sentence. This is how we were initially placed into the body of Christ. It ocurred to each of us ONCE -- when we received Christ as Savior and were born again. QUESTION: Since "by one Spirit we were all baptized" (when we were placed into the body of Christ), then what else could the baptism in, of, by, or with the Holy Spirit be? Surely there are not 2 or more different kinds of Holy Spirit baptism, are there? Also note that in Acts 2:4, the text there does not say: "And they were all baptized with the Holy Spirit." It uses the word "filled". "And they were all FILLED (emphasis mine) with the Holy Spirit." Filled, not baptized. Not according to the plain text of the Scripture. So, each individual believer is baptized by the Holy Spirit (placed into the body of Christ) ONCE, when he is born again and first becomes a Christian. However, the filling with the Spirit is a repeated reality in the life of the believer. I.e., there is ONE BAPTISM, BUT MANY FILLINGS. The fullness of the Spirit affects all areas of life, not just speaking boldly. Also note the Bible teaches that ALL believers are indwelt by the Holy Spirit (Rom 8:9). --JVH0212" schwartzkm, I am not trying to 'prove' that you are wrong here or anything like that. But I believe that there is a fundamental difference between being 'baptized' by the Holy Spirit (which comes first), and then being 'filled with the Holy Spirit' (which comes many times after baptism). Are we being baptized by the Holy Spirit again every single time that we are 'filled with the Holy Spirit'? This 'association' between "baptism" and "filling" simply does not make sense to me. I believe that one could, in a sense, be 'filled' with the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit baptizes that person upon conversion, but baptism is a one time event that happens to all believers, and the Holy Spirit has sealed us (2 Tim. 2:19). However, our bodies remain 'temples of the Holy Spirit' wherein the Spirit dwells, and where we are frequently 'filled with the Holy Spirit'! Nolan |
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