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1 | TKO, does God operate differently today? | Acts | Reformer Joe | 49298 | ||
Are YOU paying attention? " Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. There are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills." --1 Corinthians 12:4-11 God is distributing differing gifts individually to each one AS HE WILLS. Everyone does not have the same gifts. There is no other logical way of interpreting this passage in its context! Can it be any more clear? In case it could be, let us look to the end of the chapter for a re-cap of the matter: "Now you are Christ's body, and individually members of it. And God has appointed in the church, first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, various kinds of tongues. All are not apostles, are they? All are not prophets, are they? All are not teachers, are they? All are not workers of miracles, are they? All do not have gifts of healings, do they? All do not speak with tongues, do they? All do not interpret, do they?" --1 Corinthians 12:27-30 No, they did not, and that is precisely the way God intended it to be. Please pay attention, and while you are at it, take a look at how far down the list Paul placed tongues. Instead of rudeness and accusing others of ignorance, why don't you spend some time letting your false teachings be corrected by the word of God? --Joe! |
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2 | TKO, does God operate differently today? | Acts | TKO | 49318 | ||
The usage of the word gifts in 12:1 is not in the greek texts words in italics were added by the translators. The word another used throughout this chapter is greek (allos) meaning another of the same kind, the second of the two, three, four ... In Vrs. 11 the pronoun is suppose be associaed to the nearest noun! HE goes back to te man, As the man wills or desires to manifest, or do we need to change the laws of language to fit your interpratation. Vrs 7 all MANIFESTATIONS are listed (NOT IN ORDER OF IMPORTANCE! more like 3 groups of 3 )are given yo every man to profit . READ, it says MANIFESTATION of THE SPIRIT (the Gift)the same is given to every man. Your with the false teachers. People like you put Calvin almost higher than Jesus himself. The Gifts mentioned in the beginning of the chapter are referring to gift ministries acts of serving. You probable think just because someone runs a growth-group they're a teacher, or someone runs a church they're a pastor. Verse 4-6 are talking about something different ( still spiritual matters,) because verse 7 starts by saying BUT, which sets the following verses in a contrast or a different thought. Vrs. 11 the Spirit dividing to every man severly, as he (the man ) will. By the way there was no punctuation in the greek. By the way you started the rude condesending tone, sorry but I get emotional over this stuff... And since were going nowhere this is my last reply. |
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3 | TKO, does God operate differently today? | Acts | Reformer Joe | 49320 | ||
"The usage of the word gifts in 12:1 is not in the greek texts words in italics were added by the translators. The word another used throughout this chapter is greek (allos) meaning another of the same kind, the second of the two, three, four ..." The word "charisma" is used however, in verses 4, 9, 28, 30, and 31. And the whole passage speaks on gifts, and the whole weight of the passage is precisely dealing with strife based on having differing gifts and roles in the church. That is precisely what verses 15-18 address. Paul's argument makes no sense if what the other verses are really saying is that WE pick the gifts we want. It turns the entire chapter into nonsense. " In Vrs. 11 the pronoun is suppose be associaed to the nearest noun! HE goes back to te man, As the man wills or desires to manifest, or do we need to change the laws of language to fit your interpratation." No, you just need a better Greek teacher than the one you are reading. Please do not try to convince us that you know the rules of Koine Greek grammar. Your English usage demonstrates that languages are not your strong suit. The pronoun in Greek does NOT have to go with the nearest noun, and if verse 11 has the man deciding which spiritual gifts he has (so much for God's sovereignty!), what are we to make of verse 18? "But now God has placed the members, each one of them, in the body, just as He desired." --1 Corinthians 12:18 So who is the "He" referring to here? Members? That would be a "they." Body? Nope. It refers to God. Suprisingly enough, the Bible teaches that God is in charge of His church, and that He decides who will receive what gifts (and this chapter makes it clear that God does not intend every individual to have all of them--you keep avoiding verses 28-30). The "He" in verse 11 refers to God, because that is what makes sense in the context (very important in ANY kind of translation). The "He" in verse 18 refers to God as well. God distributes the gifts as He wills. God places people in different functions in the body of Christ as He wills. There is no other logical way to interpret Paul's discourse on the subject, because none of the rest of the chapter makes any sense at all without this rendering. You wrote: "Your with the false teachers. People like you put Calvin almost higher than Jesus himself." Hmmm...let's see. You are the one claiming that every translation of Scripture since the days of the early church has mistranslated 1 Corinthians 12. You are the one suggesting that every Greek class in every seminary is part of some vast conspiracy engineered by the dead modern church to "hide the truth" of what this chapter REALLY says. You accuse me of idolizing Calvin (whom I have not even mentioned once), but you pull some no-name guy's book down off the shelf and consider him some kind of authority on Greek grammar in the face of literally centuries of both secular and religious Greek scholarship that contradicts what he writes. And I am the one with the false teachers? Are you sincerely suggesting that God let His church basically disappear from the first decades of the first century, only to be revived/reborn at the beginning of the 20th? Come on! Do you have the slightest idea what dangerous theological ground you are on to even SUGGEST that the Spirit's work is dependent upon the will of His creation? Somehow I don't think you do. Your faulty twisting of Scripture makes man sovereign over the working of God. Again, the Spirit of God becomes the Force from Star Wars, to be molded and used and wielded as some invisible, prana-like energy field instead of the God that He is. Feel free to cling to heresy if you wish. You may "feel" whatever you like and claim it is from God. You may babble all you wish and declare non-tongues-speakers to be dead or weak or not even Christians. Your hysterics do nothing but dishonor the holy God of the universe who will hold you accountable for how incorrectly you handle His word. --Joe! |
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4 | TKO, does God operate differently today? | Acts | TKO | 49344 | ||
Some no name guy of the shelf, yah Paul, I don't even know his last name. Dangerous thoelogical ground yes, but not dangerous biblical ground. The word tells us to put it on, let it happen, desire after, oh yah forgot God dosen't allow us any part in this ministrying reformed THEOLOGY. Your definition od sovernty make people pupits, God gave Adam dominion, he lost it but Christ brought it back to us. Now God has given his children his Spirit and the anointing (Christ in you) to do the work of the minitry. You have misquoted me for the last time! Buy... |
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