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1 | Can we not ask God to forgive another? | John | Aixen7z4 | 150963 | ||
When I sin against my brother or sister, I am at the same time sinning against God. Thus David, having done some considerable wickedness to Bathsheba and Uriah said, “Against you, you only, have I sinned (Psalm 51). And Jesus said to Saul, as he was persecuting the church, “Why are you persecuting me?” Saul asked, "Who are you?" The Lord replied, "I'm Jesus, the one you're persecuting. Think of that. When I think that someone has offended me, it is useful to think that they have actually offended God. God is the one who says, “Love one another” and when we break that rule, we are offending God. God sometimes says that I am the apple of his eye. Did you hear that? I am the apple of his eye. So when you stab me, you are poking God’s eye (Zechariah 2:8). God sometimes says, “Touch not my anointed, and do my prophets no harm“ Psalm 105). It sounds like a warning to me. And we have to cross God to get to our brother. All in all, then, I am not so sure the two things are entirely separate. In fact, it seems there only limited circumstances where we can sin against God without having harmed a person. A person can sin against his own body (1 Corinthians 6) and there are sins directly against God (It seems good not to mention them). But most sins involve harm to other people. When we hurt people, and especially our brethren, we are at the same time, and in the process, and in many ways, offending God. It seems to me that we are not able to forgive someone who has not repented. God also cannot forgive someone who has not repented. By definition, forgiveness implies repentance. But also, when we have forgiven someone, we must realize that, although they must seek it themselves, they also need forgiveness from God. |
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2 | Can we not ask God to forgive another? | John | Hank | 150968 | ||
Aixen: You wrote, "It seems to be that we are not able to forgive someone who has not repented." If this is true, then Jesus taught His disciples falsely in Matthew 6:12 when He instructed them to pray. He said, "And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors." He continued in vs. 14, "For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you." Jesus did NOT say, "Forgive us our debts, as we have also have forgiven our debtors WHO HAVE REPENTED." ..... Aixen, you are not ignorant of Scripture. But you are imposing conditions on forgiveness of others that the Bible does not impose. You know better than post such a "it seems to me" kind of statement and add your own conditions to such serious topics as prayer and forgiveness. . If what you said still "seems to you" a valid argument, then I challenge you to back it up with Scripture, a challenge that is in accord with the guidelines of the Forum. I've said it many times before and I'll say it again: This is not an "it seems to me" Forum; it is a Bible study Forum. --Hank | ||||||
3 | Can we not ask God to forgive another? | John | Aixen7z4 | 150971 | ||
It seems to me that Jesus is saying (in Luke 17:4, which has been referenced already in this conversation) "If he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him". Jesus is not teaching falsely when he says, “After this manner pray ye … ‘Forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors" or “If you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you." We are to assume he is being consistent, and that what he said to Peter in Luke 17, he is saying to us all, that forgiveness presupposes repentance. I sincerely regret giving the impression that the conditions for forgiveness are my idea. It seems to be they are Jesus', and I got that impression from reading Ezekiel 33, Luke 13, Luke 17, Luke 24, Acts 17, 2 Peret 3, Revelation 2, etc. I do not assume that everyone is familiar with all of those passages, but I thought they might have read my previous posts within the thread and seen some of them before coming to that impression. |
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4 | Can we not ask God to forgive another? | John | Michael Draves | 150974 | ||
John 20:23 "If you forgive the sins of any, their sins have been forgiven them; if you retain the sins of any, they have been retained." | ||||||
5 | Can we not ask God to forgive another? | John | Wild Olive Shoot | 150976 | ||
Christ gave the authority to the Apostles to announce forgiveness and warn of guilt. As Christ’s ambassadors, they didn’t provide forgiveness, only proclaimed it. If a person confesses and turns to Christ, they can be assured that God forgives their sins. However, should they refuse to confess they are to be warned they will face the judgment of God. As pointed out in Mark 2, only God has the “right” to forgive sin. We can only proclaim it. WOS |
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