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1 | do all babies and children go to heaven | 2 Sam 12:23 | Wanda B. | 108086 | ||
Where do Babies Go When They Die? (Part 2 of 3) E: The reason for this is that salvation is not an act of themselves. It is an act of God, His Son Christ, and the Holy Spirit. Leader. Wayne Grudem supports this view as well. He writes: "God is able to save infants in an unusual way, apart from their hearing and understanding the Gospel, by bringing regeneration to them very early, sometimes even before birth. This regeneration is probably also followed at once by a nascent, intuitive awareness of God and trust in him at an extremely early age, but this is something we simply cannot understand". E: I was asking you if you would simplify that. I don't think there is anything unusual about God choosing to bring an infant, unborn or child to him. B: The sentence...by bringing regeneration to them early E: I disagree that a child even needs to be restored. It sounds ridiculous to me that God would even deny an infant, unborn child or innocent child for any amount of time, when he has provided Christ even before any of us were born into sin. Leader: We are all born with a sin nature - even though a child never commits a sin – E: The sin nature… Leader: That sin nature must be covered. Right? E: Explain sin nature at birth. What exactly is a sin nature of an innocent baby? T: tendency to turn towards evil E: I have been researching this for over a week and the more I researched the more I am convinced! Seriously, do you think a child is born with sinful desires? Leader: Ps. 51:5 says we are conceived sinners, born (Ps. 58:3) Leader: E, God didn't ask for my opinion He just did it. E: I am sorry, I am frustrated with all the opinions I have found. I know that the consequence of Adam's sin for us is death. Leader: Logically and emotionally, every bone in my body refused to believe God would condemn an unborn child or a child too young to understand the plan of salvation, but God doesn't give us any definite answers. He gives us scripture to read and a direct 'hot line' to Him for guidance. We are to ask for His guidance. D: And trust in Him to be righteous Leader: Getting frustrated only makes it harder to draw the conclusion closest to His heart. E: Adam's Act has brought death to us, Leader: yes |
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2 | do all babies and children go to heaven | 2 Sam 12:23 | Wanda B. | 108087 | ||
Where Do Babies go When They Die? Part 3 of 3) E: Christ's Act has brought life eternal for us. Leader: Upon acceptance, yes. This is where I have difficulty. Leader: Let's back up a bit. Someone please post Romans 5:18-19; everybody else get pencils ready. 18) Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life. 19) For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous. E: Okay, those verses sum up what I said previously. Through one, comes condemnation, the other, righteousness. Leader: Yes. Now, please post I Peter 1:10-11. E, if it's OK for us to be represented by Christ for salvation, we must also accept the sin imposed upon us (meaning humans) by Adam. I Peter 1:10-11: 10) Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you. 11) Searching what, or what manner of time the spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. It is very possible for to be save by God through Christ even if we don't understand all of the plan of Salvation -- this covers babies - born and unborn -, very young children, mentally challenged people. Make sense? "How many infants does God save in this way? Scripture does not tell us, so we simply cannot know. Where Scripture is silent, it is unwise for us to make definitive pronouncements. However, we should recognize that it is Gods frequent pattern throughout Scripture to save the children of those who believe in him." E: The one thing that keeps coming to me and is reinforced by the posts just sent is how God's Spirit testifies to those who do not or did not know about Christ. Leader: The salvation of those who cannot cognitively understand their sinful condition or Gods cure is a mystery. It is not clearly revealed to us. But we have shown above that it is possible and has happened with at least David’s son. II Samuel 12:23 tells us about David's infant son that died. Part of Gods nature is mercy and He bestows His mercy and His grace on whom He will. Since God is all knowing, He knows which babies will not have a chance at life outside the womb and if He wishes He can save them like David’s son. David is saying that he knows he cannot bring his son back to live. But he also knows he will REJOIN him in Heaven. The point is that God is perfectly fair. He gives each of us a time in our lives to choose to believe in Jesus Christ or not. Under normal circumstances, each of us will reach God consciousness (age of accountability). E: And how does he know this? He knows this because of the Spirit of Truth Leader: David was a man close to God's heart. Remember? Jeremiah 29:13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart, and Acts 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if happy they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us: E: Each one will come to an age of consciousness of the Truth. Leader: Jeremiah 29:13 You will seek me and find me when you seek me with all of your heart. What we call 'age of accountability. E: And yes, that will come to our heart's consciousness. leader: And God did this so men would seek Him and perhaps reach out to Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us. I have drawn this conclusion: Obviously, not all of us are going to die prematurely i.e. babies. God made provision for those of us who die old and those who die as infants or before they are mature enough to understand the Plan of Salvation. How God does it is not my concern. He deliberately chose not to tell me that part, so I accept, by faith, that He has made a special provision for these little ones. Just as He made a special provision for old folks like me. I accept this only by faith - the same faith that I accept Christ as my Savior on. D: We might never know the answers to certain questions, until we get to heaven. E: I agree that God has chosen each one of us to be saved and that when and if he reveals this Truth to us, we should accept it. Leader: That's right. He may not choose to ever tell us. Anyone have any other questions? B: It answered my questions Leader: Started by placing their faith in Christ, Scripture teaches that condemnation is based on the CLEAR REJECTION of God's revelation-whether general or specific- not simple ignorance of it. Luke 10:16: He that hearth you hearth me; and he that despiseth you despiseth me; and he that despiseth me despiseth him that sent me. Now John 12:48 46. I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness. E: to make a willful decision, you must have knowledge of what the truth is Leader: Exactly!!BINGO!! |
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3 | do all babies and children go to heaven | 2 Sam 12:23 | Searcher56 | 108116 | ||
Wanda B. ... please ask the leader to respond to this Do you believe one is righteous (going to be with the Lord) or unrighteous (separated from Him forever), including babies? I believe one is righteous or unrighteous ... there is no in between (Gen 18:23-24, Mat 5:45). There are other verses that shows there are only two camps (Mat 25:31-46; Jhn 3:16-18, 36; Rom 2:6-8, 8:5-8, 13; Gal 6:18 (5:16-16); 1Jn 5:11-12). In Genesis 18:16-33, Abraham pleads for Sodom. The Lord promised not to destroy Sodom if there were ten righteous. There were only Lot (2Pe 2:7) and maybe four, at the most six, who were righteous (19:12-15). God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah (vv 24-25) ... I believe that there were babies and those in the womb, this because it is normal to have people of all ages ... so I think God declared them unrighteous. When David said that he would one day join his departed infant son (2 Sam 12:23), would it would be in heaven (with the Lord)? - In Genesis 37:35, Jacob said "I go down to the grave to my son." - There are 24 (kings) who "slept with his fathers." - David said his son wouldn't return to him ... All three have a phyiscal view, so I believe David was saying he was going to buried with his son, which is also phyiscal. |
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4 | do all babies and children go to heaven | 2 Sam 12:23 | Wanda B. | 108123 | ||
I'll get back to you, Searcher. God bless! wsb |
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